[454697819]

Especially those who use it by the 5L can, i discovered the 500ml dispenser is not refillable and any other attempt I made to put it in a container, went a little awry.

A quick google and this turned up -

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1L-Natura...72.m2749.l2649

Arrived today and works spot on, A longer spout would be helpful, (fnar missus) but I thought I would share.

I called Millers and confirmed that it needs to be HDPE which this is so it shouldn't dissolve the container in the boot, its slightly over doses but not enough that it will make any particular odds.

Hope this helps someone else.

Ps. Im not opening the debate about Millers or not, my experience is it is worth it.

Cheers

Alex

[Eddamoo]

Some more advice from me...

The raw ingredient in Millers that improves Cetane is the chemical 2-EHN - you can see this is mixed with 'filler' in Millers on the technical datasheet.

You can buy the pure stuff off Ebay. Buying in bulk and accounting for the purity, it works out at about 1/6 the price of Millers! I just mix a dose with diesel or whatever before dropping it in the tank. Just grab a few 100ml safety bottles and keep them in the boot bin.

Edit: make sure you use nitrile gloves when handling. Its very hard to wash off your hands.

This is what i get: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hydra-Fue...EAAOSwqu1avw~L

[SteveChester]

@Eddamoo what's the petrol version of this?

[seenthelight!]

Originally Posted by Eddamoo

Some more advice from me...

The raw ingredient in Millers that improves Cetane is the chemical 2-EHN - you can see this is mixed with 'filler' in Millers on the technical datasheet.

You can buy the pure stuff off Ebay. Buying in bulk and accounting for the purity, it works out at about 1/6 the price of Millers! I just mix a dose with diesel or whatever before dropping it in the tank. Just grab a few 100ml safety bottles and keep them in the boot bin.

Edit: make sure you use nitrile gloves when handling. Its very hard to wash off your hands.

This is what i get: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hydra-Fue...EAAOSwqu1avw~L

can you please give more details, ie a review of what the difference/benefit is in adding makes as opposed to 'raw untreated diesel'
thanks

[NanasBack]

That’s one ingredient.
What else is added to clean injectors and stop build up of crap?

[Eddamoo]

Originally Posted by NanasBack

That’s one ingredient.
What else is added to clean injectors and stop build up of crap?

Nothing from what I remember. I'm pretty certain the data sheet only mentions paraffin. That is a little less viscous than diesel so may help cleaning, but in the tiny amounts of Miller's, not a chance!

[Eddamoo]

Originally Posted by seenthelight!

can you please give more details, ie a review of what the difference/benefit is in adding makes as opposed to 'raw untreated diesel'
thanks

Just watch some YouTube videos of the benefits of increased Diesel Cetane. It basically accelerates ignition, meaning the injection can be done closer to TDC. The later ignition has a similar effect of higher octane petrol, with possibly increased power and efficiency.

It certainly reduced diesel clatter and soot on all my diesel cars since 2005

[454697819]

Originally Posted by Eddamoo

Just watch some YouTube videos of the benefits of increased Diesel Cetane. It basically accelerates ignition, meaning the injection can be done closer to TDC. The later ignition has a similar effect of higher octane petrol, with possibly increased power and efficiency.

It certainly reduced diesel clatter and soot on all my diesel cars since 2005

I'd agree with this, The 335 runs a lot better with it so did the superb to be fair.

Interesting to know the main ingredient can be purchased separately -

Do you reckon any of the other ingredients help suspend the mix in the diesel?

[Eddamoo]

Originally Posted by 454697819

I'd agree with this, The 335 runs a lot better with it so did the superb to be fair.

Interesting to know the main ingredient can be purchased separately -

Do you reckon any of the other ingredients help suspend the mix in the diesel?

Nope definitely not. A quick swirl in a bottle and the mixture doesn't separate at all, it becomes fully suspended.

Here's the Wynn's equivalent MSDS. As you can see, a little 2EHN, loads of Kerosene and a few solvents. http://www.wynnoil.co.uk/wp-content/...-3_EN_MSDS.pdf

[TiredGeek]

Thanks for that, I always wondered if the Millers was basically just one active ingredient with a carrier oil.
I think "Millers" is worth adding, in my previous car (Volvo D5) I didn't start using it until around 70k miles but after 10k or so I noticed that I was getting better mpg than previously, and that the DPF was asking for fewer regens. When I sold it at 125k it was doing around 6mpg better and the intake manifold was far less sooty than other cars of the same age and mileage.
Now I know it's just due to better combustion leading to lower soot levels I'm switching when my Millers supply is gone

OK, plastic or metal bottles?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PLASTIC-S...53.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2Pcs-Safe...53.m1438.l2649

[Eddamoo]

Originally Posted by TiredGeek

Thanks for that, I always wondered if the Millers was basically just one active ingredient with a carrier oil.
I think "Millers" is worth adding, in my previous car (Volvo D5) I didn't start using it until around 70k miles but after 10k or so I noticed that I was getting better mpg than previously, and that the DPF was asking for fewer regens. When I sold it at 125k it was doing around 6mpg better and the intake manifold was far less sooty than other cars of the same age and mileage.
Now I know it's just due to better combustion leading to lower soot levels I'm switching when my Millers supply is gone

OK, plastic or metal bottles?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PLASTIC-S...53.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2Pcs-Safe...53.m1438.l2649

Yeah id go 100ml plastic like: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Plastic-B...OenXfp2eHAJR8w

They should fit a nice 1:1 or 2:1 mix of 2EHNiesel. I live near a filling station so dump in a plastic bottle full before leaving home.

[Lorcan]

Originally Posted by Eddamoo

Just watch some YouTube videos of the benefits of increased Diesel Cetane. It basically accelerates ignition, meaning the injection can be done closer to TDC. The later ignition has a similar effect of higher octane petrol, with possibly increased power and efficiency.

A faster burn would be the same as advancing the ignition (earlier), not retarding it (later). When tuning for peak power you advance ignition up to the point where torque levels off, then stop.

[xpro]

Originally Posted by Eddamoo

Some more advice from me...

The raw ingredient in Millers that improves Cetane is the chemical 2-EHN - you can see this is mixed with 'filler' in Millers on the technical datasheet.

You can buy the pure stuff off Ebay. Buying in bulk and accounting for the purity, it works out at about 1/6 the price of Millers! I just mix a dose with diesel or whatever before dropping it in the tank. Just grab a few 100ml safety bottles and keep them in the boot bin.

Edit: make sure you use nitrile gloves when handling. Its very hard to wash off your hands.

This is what i get: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hydra-Fue...EAAOSwqu1avw~L

This ^^^, as the man says.

Millers eco max is just that, 2 EHN but double the price.

2-ethylhexyl nitrate (2-EHN) is now the main ingredient in todays diesel fuels for cetane increment since the removal of sulfur, which used to be the cetane booster back in the day.

My friend actually works in the refinery and he told me that they use 2EHN as boosting agent to bring the cetane numbers up, and for example when you buy BP Ultimate or Shell V-Power, basically you're buying the same fuel but with a higher does of 2-EHN to bump up the cetane numbers..

[Eddamoo]

Originally Posted by Lorcan

A faster burn would be the same as advancing the ignition (earlier), not retarding it (later). When tuning for peak power you advance ignition up to the point where torque levels off, then stop.

I don't get you. Increasing cetane allows for a retardation in timing.

Tuning for power is different to modifying a static tune. If you perform a tune for more power, you're adding more fuel and therefore needing more time to burn it. That's the only reason why you'd advance the ignition. We're not talking about that in this thread however.