Test drove a 335d F30… and it was soooo F**ing boring

Xplosiv166 · 03-01-2019, 05:07 PM

So have had tonnes of diesels (320d, 2x 330d), and moved to the 440i (first petrol) after my 330d MPPSK. Decided to try the 335d as will need to change or buy soon.

And after having the test car for a day, I was happy to give it back and get my 40i back. The low down shove was better than the 40i but I found the engine to be really boring and not something I would go out and drive on a quite Sunday which I sadly do regular with the 40i, maybe a tuning box would help?

Another thing I noticed was how disappointingly similar the 335d was to my old 330d, for some reason I was expecting way more from the 35d vs my recollection of the 30d but there did not seem to be much difference between the 30d MPPSK and 35d.

I think a either a second hand M140i/M230i or keep my 440i is the best option at the moment or go for the Golf R or Seat Loen FR.

teaston · 03-01-2019, 05:11 PM

Yeah they need a tuning box and suspension sorting, but then it is a serious weapon!

Will no doubt be hugely overshadowed by the upcoming M340d though.

Xplosiv166 · 03-01-2019, 05:18 PM

Is there a big difference between the stock 30d and the 35d? I did not try them back to back, the last time a drove a 30d was 2 yrs ago.

But the 35d seemed from memory to be very similar to the 30d I had (albeit with the MPPSK installed), for some reason I was expecting a massive difference between to 30d and the 35d but was disappointed with my test car.

It highlighted just how good the B58 engine is, I really like the characteristics of the petrol over the diesel irrelevant of which is faster. The 40i for me is simply much more fun to drive than the 35d and the mpg was not much better.

teaston · 03-01-2019, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Xplosiv166

Is there a big difference between the stock 30d and the 35d? I did not try them back to back, the last time a drove a 30d was 2 yrs ago.

But the 35d seemed from memory to be very similar to the 30d I had, for some reason I was expecting a massive difference between to 30d and the 35d but was disappointed with my test car.

I owned them back to back, the 335d certainly is quicker, but the 330d feels just as quick due to the way the single turbo kicks in!

Xplosiv166 · 03-01-2019, 05:36 PM

after my disappointing day with the 35d, i think the next car needs to be a petrol! i only do ~10K a year so a diesel does not make much sense anyway.

Not sure what to get, wait for the new M340/M440 or get a second hand M240i (possible more fun to drive as it is lighter and smaller) or keep the 440i i have?? or move to the Golf R

lethbridge · 03-01-2019, 05:51 PM

Sounds like you need to progress to an M2CP/M3/4 - no risk of a boring ride - takes the 35d/40i debate off the table... At your miles not expensive to run if you can get one within budget - either that or keep the 440i... A Golf would seem a backward step to me...

Hooded · 03-01-2019, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Xplosiv166

So have had tonnes of diesels (320d, 2x 330d), and moved to the 440i (first petrol) after my 330d MPPSK. Decided to try the 335d as will need to change or buy soon.

And after having the test car for a day, I was happy to give it back and get my 40i back. The low down shove was better than the 40i but I found the engine to be really boring and not something I would go out and drive on a quite Sunday which I sadly do regular with the 40i, maybe a tuning box would help?

Another thing I noticed was how disappointingly similar the 335d was to my old 330d, for some reason I was expecting way more from the 35d vs my recollection of the 30d but there did not seem to be much difference between the 30d MPPSK and 35d.

I think a either a second hand M140i/M230i or keep my 440i is the best option at the moment or go for the Golf R or Seat Loen FR.

There won't be much difference once rolling between a stock 335d and an MPPSK 330d, but a remap on the 335d will make it noticeably quicker.

I would consider keeping your 440i a little longer for now.

RustyBitz · 03-02-2019, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hooded

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Originally Posted by Xplosiv166

So have had tonnes of diesels (320d, 2x 330d), and moved to the 440i (first petrol) after my 330d MPPSK. Decided to try the 335d as will need to change or buy soon.

And after having the test car for a day, I was happy to give it back and get my 40i back. The low down shove was better than the 40i but I found the engine to be really boring and not something I would go out and drive on a quite Sunday which I sadly do regular with the 40i, maybe a tuning box would help?

Another thing I noticed was how disappointingly similar the 335d was to my old 330d, for some reason I was expecting way more from the 35d vs my recollection of the 30d but there did not seem to be much difference between the 30d MPPSK and 35d.

I think a either a second hand M140i/M230i or keep my 440i is the best option at the moment or go for the Golf R or Seat Loen FR.

There won't be much difference once rolling between a stock 335d and an MPPSK 330d, but a remap on the 335d will make it noticeably quicker.

I would consider keeping your 440i a little longer for now.

OP, is there any reason you need to change car? Is the lease coming up or is it PCP? Sounds to me the 440i is ticking all the right boxes, I would just re-finance if you can to keep the car.

Am I missing something? I thought MPPSK was for the x40i petrol engines only.

SkyJawa · 03-02-2019, 02:21 AM

I wouldn’t change from a 40i to a 35d.

They are a bit more linear due to the second turbo than the 30d hence why they don’t maybe feel much faster.

That said, a 335d with a remap is hardly boring

xpro · 03-02-2019, 04:32 AM

I dont know what people except from a 335d. It’s a dull saloon car in the standard shape, nothing performance or sporty about it, certainly not a cuban cigar.
It’s a 6 pot powerful diesel with good mpg that will easily outpower most cars on the motorway, but thats it.
Golf R, Cupra, S3, they are fun cars, like the M cars, no comparison here.

335d is a ridiculously detuned vehicle, I actually don’t understand why BMW has them like that. Must be the emissions thing.
But get them mapped, free up some of the emissions clogging stuff, and they become an absolute rocket. Combine the suspension with it, and now you have road torque monster. But lot of work, and is it worth it?

Watsey · 03-02-2019, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RustyBitz

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Originally Posted by Hooded

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Originally Posted by Xplosiv166

So have had tonnes of diesels (320d, 2x 330d), and moved to the 440i (first petrol) after my 330d MPPSK. Decided to try the 335d as will need to change or buy soon.

And after having the test car for a day, I was happy to give it back and get my 40i back. The low down shove was better than the 40i but I found the engine to be really boring and not something I would go out and drive on a quite Sunday which I sadly do regular with the 40i, maybe a tuning box would help?

Another thing I noticed was how disappointingly similar the 335d was to my old 330d, for some reason I was expecting way more from the 35d vs my recollection of the 30d but there did not seem to be much difference between the 30d MPPSK and 35d.

I think a either a second hand M140i/M230i or keep my 440i is the best option at the moment or go for the Golf R or Seat Loen FR.

There won't be much difference once rolling between a stock 335d and an MPPSK 330d, but a remap on the 335d will make it noticeably quicker.

I would consider keeping your 440i a little longer for now.

OP, is there any reason you need to change car? Is the lease coming up or is it PCP? Sounds to me the 440i is ticking all the right boxes, I would just re-finance if you can to keep the car.

Am I missing something? I thought MPPSK was for the x40i petrol engines only.

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Originally Posted by RustyBitz

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Originally Posted by Hooded

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Originally Posted by Xplosiv166

So have had tonnes of diesels (320d, 2x 330d), and moved to the 440i (first petrol) after my 330d MPPSK. Decided to try the 335d as will need to change or buy soon.

And after having the test car for a day, I was happy to give it back and get my 40i back. The low down shove was better than the 40i but I found the engine to be really boring and not something I would go out and drive on a quite Sunday which I sadly do regular with the 40i, maybe a tuning box would help?

Another thing I noticed was how disappointingly similar the 335d was to my old 330d, for some reason I was expecting way more from the 35d vs my recollection of the 30d but there did not seem to be much difference between the 30d MPPSK and 35d.

I think a either a second hand M140i/M230i or keep my 440i is the best option at the moment or go for the Golf R or Seat Loen FR.

There won't be much difference once rolling between a stock 335d and an MPPSK 330d, but a remap on the 335d will make it noticeably quicker.

I would consider keeping your 440i a little longer for now.

Am I missing something? I thought MPPSK was for the x40i petrol engines only.

MPPSK for petrol.

MPPK for diesel.

A couple of people have confused their acronyms

Hooded · 03-02-2019, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Watsey

MPPSK for petrol.

MPPK for diesel.

A couple of people have confused their acronyms

Yep, that's coping what the OP wrote late at night

.. either way we all Know he's talking about the official BMW performance upgrade for a 330d.

Wills2 · 03-02-2019, 06:15 AM

I have a new word to describe the performance of the 35/40d powered cars "satisfying" which for me sums it up perfectly not exciting but not dull in performance terms. but slap bang in the middle. The roast beef and Yorkshire pudding of the motoring world.

RobUK · 03-02-2019, 06:38 AM

If it were me I'd keep the 440i, especially if it's running well. I keep getting tempted by the M340i but then I think it's all that extra money for what? I don't push the limits of the 340i so what good is a slightly quicker car car full of new gadgets I don't miss?

Disclaimer - I may go against my own advice!

Hooded · 03-02-2019, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Wills2

I have a new word to describe the performance of the 35/40d powered cars "satisfying" which for me sums it up perfectly not exciting but not dull in performance terms. but slap bang in the middle. The roast beef and Yorkshire pudding of the motoring world.

...and us Brits do like our Sunday dinners!

NanasBack · 03-03-2019, 03:03 PM

I think it’s boring because of the throttle response.
When the pedal is pressed, even halfway, there is no lump of low rev diesel torque for acceleration.
Instead, the bloody gearbox has priority and changes down a gear or two.
The moment is lost.

330XDave · 03-03-2019, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NanasBack

I think it’s boring because of the throttle response.
When the pedal is pressed, even halfway, there is no lump of low rev diesel torque for acceleration.
Instead, the bloody gearbox has priority and changes down a gear or two.
The moment is lost.

In Sport mode it doesn't.

SkyJawa · 03-04-2019, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 330XDave

Not in Sport mode it doesn't.

Hence Sport mode is my default setting, comfort feels lethargic in comparison.

wlegge · 03-04-2019, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NanasBack

I think it’s boring because of the throttle response.
When the pedal is pressed, even halfway, there is no lump of low rev diesel torque for acceleration.
Instead, the bloody gearbox has priority and changes down a gear or two.
The moment is lost.

Is this what the Alpina gearbox flash sorts out? I’ve heard it doesnt downshift quite as quickly so it can surf the torque better?

cc3 · 03-04-2019, 05:22 AM

Could be worse how about what is coming down the line

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...top-speed-2020

SkyJawa · 03-04-2019, 05:50 AM

I have the alpina on mine and yes there are times I've noticed it keeps the current gear rather than downshifting.

g9icy · 03-04-2019, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cc3

Could be worse how about what is coming down the line

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...top-speed-2020

I doubt BMW would follow this, but I constantly worry the government is going to make it mandatory to have a "black box" in your car at some point in the future.

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Xplosiv166 Captain 137 Rep 680 Posts Drives: F32 440i M Sport Plus Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Manchester iTrader: (0)	Test drove a 335d F30… and it was soooo Fing boring** So have had tonnes of diesels (320d, 2x 330d), and moved to the 440i (first petrol) after my 330d MPPSK. Decided to try the 335d as will need to change or buy soon. And after having the test car for a day, I was happy to give it back and get my 40i back. The low down shove was better than the 40i but I found the engine to be really boring and not something I would go out and drive on a quite Sunday which I sadly do regular with the 40i, maybe a tuning box would help? Another thing I noticed was how disappointingly similar the 335d was to my old 330d, for some reason I was expecting way more from the 35d vs my recollection of the 30d but there did not seem to be much difference between the 30d MPPSK and 35d. I think a either a second hand M140i/M230i or keep my 440i is the best option at the moment or go for the Golf R or Seat Loen FR. __________________ Current: None Previous: E92 320d, E92 LCI 330d F30 330d, F32 440i Last edited by Xplosiv166; 03-01-2019 at 05:37 PM..
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teaston Banned 10995 Rep 32,881 Posts Drives: X3 M40d Join Date: May 2012 Location: The High Seas iTrader: (1)	Yeah they need a tuning box and suspension sorting, but then it is a serious weapon! Will no doubt be hugely overshadowed by the upcoming M340d though.
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Xplosiv166 Captain 137 Rep 680 Posts Drives: F32 440i M Sport Plus Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Manchester iTrader: (0)	Is there a big difference between the stock 30d and the 35d? I did not try them back to back, the last time a drove a 30d was 2 yrs ago. But the 35d seemed from memory to be very similar to the 30d I had (albeit with the MPPSK installed), for some reason I was expecting a massive difference between to 30d and the 35d but was disappointed with my test car. It highlighted just how good the B58 engine is, I really like the characteristics of the petrol over the diesel irrelevant of which is faster. The 40i for me is simply much more fun to drive than the 35d and the mpg was not much better. __________________ Current: None Previous: E92 320d, E92 LCI 330d F30 330d, F32 440i Last edited by Xplosiv166; 03-01-2019 at 05:25 PM..
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Xplosiv166 Captain 137 Rep 680 Posts Drives: F32 440i M Sport Plus Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Manchester iTrader: (0)	after my disappointing day with the 35d, i think the next car needs to be a petrol! i only do ~10K a year so a diesel does not make much sense anyway. Not sure what to get, wait for the new M340/M440 or get a second hand M240i (possible more fun to drive as it is lighter and smaller) or keep the 440i i have?? or move to the Golf R __________________ Current: None Previous: E92 320d, E92 LCI 330d F30 330d, F32 440i
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lethbridge Captain 470 Rep 786 Posts Drives: 2018 F80 M3 CP YMB Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: United Kingdom iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 BMW M3 CP [10.00]	Sounds like you need to progress to an M2CP/M3/4 - no risk of a boring ride - takes the 35d/40i debate off the table... At your miles not expensive to run if you can get one within budget - either that or keep the 440i... A Golf would seem a backward step to me... __________________ Current: 2018 F80 M3CP YMB. Previous: 2015: F34 335d GT M Sport+; 2012: F07 535d GT M Sport; 2008: 335d SE; 2005: 530d; 2003: 330d; 2002: 330i; 1999: 523i
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NanasBack Lieutenant 200 Rep 542 Posts Drives: EB 335 oil burner Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Staffs, UK iTrader: (0)	I think it’s boring because of the throttle response. When the pedal is pressed, even halfway, there is no lump of low rev diesel torque for acceleration. Instead, the bloody gearbox has priority and changes down a gear or two. The moment is lost.
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