02-10-2019, 06:24 AM | #1 |
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How about a 335i positioned between the 330i and M340i?
There is a big gap between the current 330i and the upcoming M340i. It makes me wonder if there is going to be a 335i with a longitudinal version of the new 306hp, 332lb-ft B48 found in the new X2 M35i.
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02-10-2019, 07:37 AM | #2 |
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People on here complain endlessly that the 330i is a 4-cylinder, so who would buy an even stronger 4-cylinder?
I guess it might make sense if the hypothetical 335i was a downgraded B58, but I don't think anybody has heard even a slight rumor about that? |
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02-10-2019, 08:03 AM | #3 |
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The biggest complain I have with the B48 is not necessarily the 4 cilinders, because it is a very good engine. The problem is that the cabin of the G20 is so well sound insulated that driving one leaves you with a numb feeling, and it feels like driving a hybrid.
Hence, a 335i makes sense especially when combined with an optional performance exhaust or even an M335i with standard performance exhaust and M Sport differential. Last edited by G4BR13L; 02-10-2019 at 08:16 AM.. |
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02-10-2019, 10:27 AM | #4 |
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I think it's unlikely. 4 cylinder engines like B48 provide adequate performance once RPMs exceed 3K-4K. I prefer 6 cylinder engines as an entry point. There is just no substitute for low end torque and of course extra cylinders.
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02-10-2019, 11:40 AM | #5 |
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Oh God, please don't give BMW USA ideas...
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02-10-2019, 11:47 AM | #6 |
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I wish they would release a plain 340i alongside the M340i. Back in the day they sold the E28 535i and M535i alongside eachother. As well as the E30 325i and 325is, and the E92 335i and 335is. It just makes more sense if you want the 6 Cylinder without all the "M" bits
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who knows if we complain enough maybe we'll do it. Mercedes brought out the e400 after people wanted a non e43 amg 6 cylinder option |
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I've driven the current 530i and 540i, there is a difference in sound. The 40i sounds better, plus it is a little bit louder. This difference is going to be more pronounced with the M340i because it will have the M perf exhaust has standard. It still has the same level of insulation, but the louder and better sound should help make up for it I think.
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True I guess but there is still going to be a difference in engine noise between the 4 cilinder and the 6 cilinder and preferrably the M340i does not come standard with the acoustic frontshield and less material that insulates sound and make the car a couple of kilograms lighter. Anyway if BMW calls it a M340i then it better be a much sportier driving experience than the 330i.
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Plus: efficiency of the 4 cyl allows 330i consumption/emission, equally spaced performance step perfectly in between, taxation rules for 2.0 are MUCH better than 3.0 in many countries, B48 is still perfectly served with RWD alone and no need at all for AWD, same (low) weight as 330i, 0-60 in a tad over 5.0s is plenty of shove to make it feel special AND smart! Negs: None! Where can I buy? Last edited by KoenG; 02-15-2019 at 07:23 PM.. |
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Not the B48 though: it also delivers 295 ft-lb and the 35i variant even has 332 ft-lb, putting it on par with the 540i. In reality: same shove in the low and mid ranges. About sound, I would be surprised when BMW didn't look at this part either. My experiences with Golf R and alternatives makes me believe that a 4-cyl can also sound the part. |
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M330i seems like the most-obvious nomenclature. Envisioning a M Performance 330i. I imagine the issue is that a theoretical M330i wouldn't be a whole lot cheaper than a M340i. Most would probably just buy the M340i.
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Clearly, you have not driven a RWD BMW fitted with the B48. Amazing engine, sounds very good under load and pulls like a freight train from way down low in the RPM range.
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An advice to potential buyers: if you want to feel like 330 is a fast car don't test drive a 340 and you'll be fine in your own bliss |
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XDrive version is 5.8 seconds per BMW published specs. Remember that they tend to be conservative on their numbers... 6 secs is plenty fast for most people Car accelerates very well and has plenty of passing power. Feels faster than the N52 N/A sixer I had in my E90. That car was 6.5-6.7 secs to 60 with the 6-speed automatic. The E34 M5 was also a six second flat car and that was considered lighting fast in the early 90s. My 530 is as fast as the M5 from nearly 30 years ago and consumes half the fuel with significantly lower emissions. Not bad. This car is Bliss that you have right. Drove 540i nice but not $10K "Nicer" or "Faster". This car shines where it matters... 5 to 60 acceleration and 50-90+ sprints.
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https://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/5-series/2017/2017-bmw-530i-review-update-1/ And that's Motor Trend that flogged the car like you'll never drive and got 6.2 seconds. You bought yours used so the 10K argument is not accurate. I just don't want potential buyers to think 4 cylinder drives like a freight train |
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Hmmm that's interesting.... Tell me more
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Mind you, we're not focused on amounts here, but the position through the rev-range where it's available. I don't believe anyone's saying the (M)340i isn't faster or that it doesn't have more torque, because of course that's factually not true, and as such wasn't the original point anyway. |
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AMG A45s will be launched one of these days: 420hp and 520Nm (est). Just to say there is still some free air above the G20 330i for a performance tuned 2.0 4 cyl. |
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When that happens we'll talk. Right now bigger engines are getting even more powerful every year. So 2.0 isn't catching up any time soon. I'm personally uncomfortable with any forced engine with more than 125-150 HP per liter for a daily driver. It just becomes an exercise in "because we can" at the cost of reliability
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Since Motor Trend seems to write contradictory pieces, back in 2017 they tested the then LCI F30 330i and they really glossed over the B48 engine:
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/...t-test-review/ Notable excerpts: "Altogether, this is perhaps the most seamlessly integrated turbo-four and automatic in the segment, even if it's not the most powerful." "At the track in the sportiest settings, we clocked a respectable 5.5-second sprint to 60 mph and a 14.2-second 98.5-mph quarter mile. That puts the 3,537-pound as-equipped 2017 BMW 330i in the midst of similar 2.0-liter-turbocharged sedans in its class, such as the Alfa Romeo Giulia, Audi A4, Cadillac ATS, Mercedes-Benz C300, and Volvo S60 T6. However, it's 0.1 second behind the last 328i we tested in 2015. Incidentally, both of these recent performances beat the last 3,437-pound 330i we tested in 2006 that was powered by a naturally aspirated 255-hp/220 lb-ft inline-six engine. At or near the top of its class, the 2017 BMW 330i's fuel economy is estimated by the EPA at 23/34/27 mpg city/highway/combined." "Nine Motor Trend staffers drove the car, and all were impressed with the new engine and driveline. "It still feels like there's something more than a turbo-four under the hood to me," said associate online editor Alex Nishimoto. "The engine just pulls and pulls. The transmission does a nice job of choosing the right gear for the job."
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