New Mercedes E Class

ADS-UK · 12-03-2018, 04:32 PM

What do you guys think? Looks like they are moving forward to a L3 semi-autonomous status going by the video.

Pierre Louis · 12-03-2018, 05:21 PM

"... without interference from the driver...." says it all. Not for me. I would likely be annoyed by the car trying to take over.

This video worships technology and makes brazen predictions without mentioning costs.

Mach550 · 12-03-2018, 05:52 PM

At least it has rings around the dials

AlteBMW · 12-03-2018, 07:44 PM

It also has a star on the hood. Mercedes systems have for the last several years been more aggressive than BMW in "assistance" for the driver. At some point MB may offer cars driven by CPO3 androids. Some will speak English -- until another driver cuts them off, at which point German curses will be deployed.

clee1982 · 12-03-2018, 09:43 PM

What's the difference between L2 and L3, Tesla is L2 or L3?

DBO · 12-04-2018, 01:40 AM

I think the G30 does most of this already. All the systems and sensors are there. They just need to improve their logic and coding to get the level 3 standard.

They'd have a red hot go at it if they could figure out how to keep the car in the centre of the lane

.

ADS-UK · 12-04-2018, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clee1982

What's the difference between L2 and L3, Tesla is L2 or L3?

Tesla is a L2 system. G30 is the same. New Audi A8 is the only L3 in the market at the moment.

ADS-UK · 12-04-2018, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBO

I think the G30 does most of this already. All the systems and sensors are there. They just need to improve their logic and coding to get the level 3 standard.

They'd have a red hot go at it if they could figure out how to keep the car in the centre of the lane

.

I don't think it'll be possible with the current hardware setup. As an example steering torque works within a limited radius. However in a L3 car, they'll need to have a broader range.

Balster · 12-04-2018, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBO

I think the G30 does most of this already. All the systems and sensors are there. They just need to improve their logic and coding to get the level 3 standard.

They'd have a red hot go at it if they could figure out how to keep the car in the centre of the lane

.

ArchJR · 12-04-2018, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mach550

At least it has rings around the dials

Odd that Mercedes used a model without the full LCD dash to showcase technology.

XxLHCxX · 12-04-2018, 08:39 AM

I have a 2015 Benz S550 with the safety systems and coming from a Mercedes, my personal preference is with the Mercedes' system. I am not sure what level it is but I prefer the Mercedes blindspot warning and lane change more than my current 5 series system.

But that is just my personal preference.

Zap-xpilot · 12-04-2018, 08:55 AM

Well, given how much fun a Mercedes is to drive, they might as well be autonomous...

If I could go back and choose less of those annoying "driver assists" I would. Every time I sit down in my M3 (which has zero such stuff) I breathe a sign of relief.

clee1982 · 12-04-2018, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADS-UK

Tesla is a L2 system. G30 is the same. New Audi A8 is the only L3 in the market at the moment.

new Audi A8 L3 in the US is disabled though, I guess the main difference between L2 and L3 is more active steering without driver input? like it will change lane and go around obstacle?

ADS-UK · 12-04-2018, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clee1982

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADS-UK

Tesla is a L2 system. G30 is the same. New Audi A8 is the only L3 in the market at the moment.

new Audi A8 L3 in the US is disabled though, I guess the main difference between L2 and L3 is more active steering without driver input? like it will change lane and go around obstacle?

It shifts the responsibility from driver to the car under the conditions it operates. As an example, Audi has no problem in you checking your phone or doing something else without having hands on the steering wheel when the system is operational. Essentially Audi takes the responsibility. That might be why they've disabled it in the US.

SteveinArizona · 12-04-2018, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clee1982

What's the difference between L2 and L3, Tesla is L2 or L3?

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...lained-feature

530iDriver · 12-04-2018, 01:17 PM

The Mercedes E Class is after all, a taxi cab, the European equivalent of the late Ford Crown Victoria. It makes sense for this numb and otherwise unimpressive car to drive itself while performing its main mission as a vehicle for hire.

babaikram · 12-04-2018, 04:12 PM

If I ever change my 520d. I am going for whichever is cheaper to lease between 520d and E200. They are mile munchers anyway. 520d is better to drive but E class engine is probably more reliable and durable

wknddrivr · 12-04-2018, 08:10 PM

Welcome to 2016.

None of these features are new to the 2019 E-Class. They have been available since the current generation E-Class became available in 2016. The only updates for 2019 are new engines and some new colors/trim.

mobilejo · 12-05-2018, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssquared

Welcome to 2016.

None of these features are new to the 2019 E-Class. They have been available since the current generation E-Class became available in 2016. The only updates for 2019 are new engines and some new colors/trim.

I was just going to ask this! Aside from the driver assistance features, this looks like the same E Class I've been driving and hating since 2016 when I have to have a courtesy car from Enterprise.

ADS-UK · 12-05-2018, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssquared

Welcome to 2016.

None of these features are new to the 2019 E-Class. They have been available since the current generation E-Class became available in 2016. The only updates for 2019 are new engines and some new colors/trim.

I think the car is pretty much the same but some of the tech is new or updated. Can't fault the marketing team for presenting it this way

SteveinArizona · 12-05-2018, 09:08 AM

"The best or nothing"?

babaikram · 12-05-2018, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobilejo

I was just going to ask this! Aside from the driver assistance features, this looks like the same E Class I've been driving and hating since 2016 when I have to have a courtesy car from Enterprise.

You are not the only person hating it. A friend of mine that had an E class as a courtesy car when his F30 was written off complained bitterly of poor driving dynamics until he bought another F30

12-03-2018, 04:32 PM	#1
ADS-UK Captain 499 Rep 987 Posts Drives: G30 - 530d M Sport Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland iTrader: (0) Garage List 2017 530d M Sport [0.00]	New Mercedes E Class What do you guys think? Looks like they are moving forward to a L3 semi-autonomous status going by the video.
	Appreciate 0 Tweet Quote

12-03-2018, 05:21 PM	#2
Pierre Louis Captain 158 Rep 866 Posts Drives: 2016 535d Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Savannah GA iTrader: (0)	"... without interference from the driver...." says it all. Not for me. I would likely be annoyed by the car trying to take over. This video worships technology and makes brazen predictions without mentioning costs.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

12-03-2018, 05:52 PM	#3
Mach550 Captain 472 Rep 888 Posts Drives: 2019 M550i Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Tampa Bay iTrader: (0) Garage List 2019 BMW M550i [8.00]	At least it has rings around the dials
	Appreciate 0 Quote

12-03-2018, 07:44 PM	#4
AlteBMW Lieutenant Colonel 729 Rep 1,597 Posts Drives: '23 760ix; '23 X3; '23 MB wgn Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: New York iTrader: (0) Garage List 2023 X3 x30 [0.00] 2023 BMW 760ix [10.00] 2023 Mercedes E450 ... [0.00]	It also has a star on the hood. Mercedes systems have for the last several years been more aggressive than BMW in "assistance" for the driver. At some point MB may offer cars driven by CPO3 androids. Some will speak English -- until another driver cuts them off, at which point German curses will be deployed. __________________ BMWCCA Current: 23 760ix (Carbon Black/Tartufo) (after first one totaled) '23 X3; '23 MB E Wagon Prior: BMWs (3,5,7 & 8 series (2x!)) X3, MB (C, E, and S), Alfa GTV, MGB, Audi (A4, A6), Saab, Volvo, Toyota, Lincoln, Chrysler, Oldsmobile, Chevy, Rambler.
	Appreciate 1 BlueElectrin6.00 Quote

12-03-2018, 09:43 PM	#5
clee1982 Lieutenant Colonel 798 Rep 1,736 Posts Drives: 2019 BMW 540i xDrive Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: NYC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2019 BMW 540i xDrive [0.00]	What's the difference between L2 and L3, Tesla is L2 or L3?
	Appreciate 0 Quote

12-04-2018, 01:40 AM	#6
DBO First Lieutenant 159 Rep 324 Posts Drives: G30 540i SDrive (MPPSK+Mods) Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Brisvegas AU iTrader: (0)	I think the G30 does most of this already. All the systems and sensors are there. They just need to improve their logic and coding to get the level 3 standard. They'd have a red hot go at it if they could figure out how to keep the car in the centre of the lane.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

12-04-2018, 08:39 AM	#11
XxLHCxX Private First Class 43 Rep 104 Posts Drives: 2018 BMW 530i Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Toronto, Canada iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 BMW 530i xDrive [0.00]	I have a 2015 Benz S550 with the safety systems and coming from a Mercedes, my personal preference is with the Mercedes' system. I am not sure what level it is but I prefer the Mercedes blindspot warning and lane change more than my current 5 series system. But that is just my personal preference.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

12-04-2018, 08:55 AM	#12
Zap-xpilot Private First Class 89 Rep 124 Posts Drives: BMW M3 ZCP 2017, 540ix 18 G31 Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Stockholm iTrader: (0) Garage List 2017 BMW M3 [0.00] 2018 BMW G31 540i X ... [0.00]	Well, given how much fun a Mercedes is to drive, they might as well be autonomous... If I could go back and choose less of those annoying "driver assists" I would. Every time I sit down in my M3 (which has zero such stuff) I breathe a sign of relief.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

12-04-2018, 01:17 PM	#16
530iDriver Colonel 1708 Rep 2,539 Posts Drives: 2017 BMW 530i Join Date: May 2018 Location: Florida iTrader: (0)	The Mercedes E Class is after all, a taxi cab, the European equivalent of the late Ford Crown Victoria. It makes sense for this numb and otherwise unimpressive car to drive itself while performing its main mission as a vehicle for hire. __________________ 2017 BMW 530i, Sport Line,Alpine White, Canberra Beige Sensatec, 19 inch V-Spoke wheels, basic plain Jane build with no options whatsoever..... "Less is more". Before: 2011 BMW 328i E90 sedan, Platinum Bronze Metallic, Dakota Brown leather, 17 inch wheels, 6-speed auto, N52 6 Cyl inline N/A goodness....
	Appreciate 0 Quote

12-04-2018, 04:12 PM	#17
babaikram M6GCComp, Porsche Cayman S PDK, Peug 208 GT1 BPS 512 Rep 1,280 Posts Drives: . Join Date: May 2015 Location: England iTrader: (0)	If I ever change my 520d. I am going for whichever is cheaper to lease between 520d and E200. They are mile munchers anyway. 520d is better to drive but E class engine is probably more reliable and durable
	Appreciate 0 Quote

12-04-2018, 08:10 PM	#18
wknddrivr Lieutenant 465 Rep 534 Posts Drives: E36 M3/E39 M5 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Welcome to 2016. None of these features are new to the 2019 E-Class. They have been available since the current generation E-Class became available in 2016. The only updates for 2019 are new engines and some new colors/trim.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

12-05-2018, 09:08 AM	#21
SteveinArizona Brigadier General 3086 Rep 4,210 Posts Drives: BMW 530e Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Greater Phoenix iTrader: (0)	"The best or nothing"?
	Appreciate 0 Quote