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Gintani F90 M5 Flash Tune
Haven't seen this posted yet. Saw this on Gintani's instagram. Looks like gains of 75 wheel torque / 73 wheel hp.
Here's the link. Pics below
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Would this tune have any impact with the warranty on the car?
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11-08-2018, 07:26 PM | #3 |
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Any tune will have an impact on your warranty ....
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I want to comment, but I don't want to start something.
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Go ahead and start it .... this is what forums are for ... you're certainly not going to offend me.
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Man, sooo much pressure. Haha. First, every forum, every sub forum, every new post on tune or any mods, there will be a post asking "will it void the warranty ". Why can't it be searched or "Google it" (the magic word these days for searching) to find the answer. But when a knowledgeable source reply, there will be a response based on what they "Google" is supposed to be the right answer. Second, if losing a warranty is a concern, why even look or search or Google any possible mods. Back in the day, the rule of modding is, "If $#%* happen, be ready to be a man and take responsibility ". Third, car manufacturers saw the profit margin on aftermarket industry and decided to take it over by copying and rebrand it. And putting all aftermarket manufacturers as the bad guys. So anything aftermarket are voiding your warranty. There are laws and association (like SEMA) that are working and trying to protect the aftermarket industry and their consumers. But, it still going to cost you time and money trying to dispute and fight the bigger guys (car manufacturers). So, the short version: Any mods will void warranty, unless if it is the same brand as the car. (Yes, even Dinan void your car's warranty. Read the fine print). If are not ready to put money out of your pocket, don't mod and live the exciting life. Nothing wrong with living a boring life. Majority of car owners able to do that. But, if you do and willing to fight, the law states that it have to be proven that indeed the aftermarket mods that is causing the issue/s. That's all the part about warranty. Now, the fun part. (Where something may happen). Flash tune will void your warranty right away. Because you are tampering with their intellectual property. How will they find out? Digital footprint is harder to erase or clear than physical footprint. Anyway, if I am gone from this forum out of a sudden, PI probably kidnapped me and interrogating me in behalf of BMW.
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Very nice explained RG!!!
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LOL, you caved in .... I'll add that there was a time when modding was relatively easy and items were easily covered under warranty with not much questioning. Fast forward, and the game has changed significantly with manufacturers taking a stern position regarding paying warranty claims on modded cars, especially on tuned cars. I won't get into specifics but have seen it firsthand having spent the last 6 years in F10 M5's before recently making the jump into a 19' M5C. If you're going to tune my advice is to do your homework and due diligence and go with a reputable tuner with solid customer service. Understanding you may have no warranty and a blown engine is the price to pay to play the game and certainly a possibility. I had piggys on both of my F10 M5's and never had any issue. With that said, I belong to a South Florida M5 group where several friends with tuned M5's blew engines and had to foot the bill. IMO other mods present significantly less risk (exhaust, suspension etc.). I'm undecided as to what I'll do with my current 19' M5C but will be doing suspension and wheels very soon. I'm OK with the exhaust for the time being and may consider a piggy at some point.
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> Back in the day, the rule of modding is, "If $#%* happen, be ready to be a man and take responsibility ". How much $$$$ responsibility are we talking? I know the age old gray area answer "BMW can't deny the warranty claim unless they can prove it was a cause of the tune" but I kind of think that is some online forum bullshit. Maybe it was true historically. Maybe it is true in exceptions today. I would personally not want to get into a gambling dick measuring piss contest with BMW warranty department. It comes down to... If I buy a $3k tune/flash/piggy/whatever... what do I stand to lose? Will I lose my entire drivetrain? The entire block? A fuel pump? Some spark plugs? I think it's pretty fair to say that numerically speaking (butt dyno and all that) a tune will probably give you a 7-15% increase in speed/usable + feelable power? A $3k tune and some $500 shit that will break should not be a big deal. We all know what is catastrophically possible, and it's probably a $20k-$80k engine replacement. However... a) how often does that happen and b) what is the middle ground? What happens *before* that? What's the more common damage, or is it literally a very binary black/white line between: 1. Stock car, all is good 2. Install a tune 3. Pray to god you don't blow your entire engine I think a huge thing I have to remind myself of all the time here is this little statistic: When you are scrolling on the forums here seeing people break quarter mile world records for M5s and everybody applauding them, trying to copy and compare their also near-record-breaking builds... you kind of feel like "well... if 100% of the people on Bimmerpost have the risk tolerance to tune and I am a member following that culture idolizing the same goals of speed + power as them, I should probably fit in with the crowd by risking tuning because they are too and it is no big deal to them!" But then you have to ask yourself... what percentage of M5 owners are on Bimmerpost, let alone active members who tune? If I had to guess, I'd guess maybe 10% of all US M5 owners in M5 probably tune. Would anybody like to back me up and tell me whether I'm an idiot and that's way too high or way too low? Last edited by MuffinFlavored; 11-10-2018 at 10:53 PM.. |
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How far/hard did they tune and how large was the bill? Is it luck of the draw, meaning "everybody had equal tunes that were in semi-safe parameters, and some people made out fine while some people got fucked" or was it "they were trying to milk every last drop"? What actually physically causes the engine to blow? Is it always a rod through the block? |
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Great questions. If we could identify the cause of the vast majority of failures, we might be able to preemptively take action. Although, for instance, I have no idea if there are aftermarket forged connecting rods available for the F90 yet.
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BMW upgraded the rods for you already on the F90.
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In regards to price go to the F10 M5 forum and see some of the built cars and you can get an idea. The point of my post was not to take a position for or against tunes but simply to answer the question of whether a tune will affect your warranty. What's safe territory is a good question and one that varies depending on who you ask and therein lies the problem.
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