[amsbmw]

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...nical-campaign

What’s everyones thoughts on this ? My cars currently in as a good will (£150 contribution from myself) to replace and inquired about this to them and bmw uk and both are clueless lol

[vadimo]

Originally Posted by amsbmw

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...nical-campaign

What’s everyones thoughts on this ? My cars currently in as a good will (£150 contribution from myself) to replace and inquired about this to them and bmw uk and both are clueless lol

interesting that in case of 3 series it only applies to (production from April 2015 until September 2016), manufacturing issue with EGR in that period?

I would expect this to affect earlier model rather than model in between production cycle

[SkyJawa]

Originally Posted by vadimo

interesting that in case of 3 series it only applies to (production from April 2015 until September 2016), manufacturing issue with EGR in that period?

I would expect this to affect earlier model rather than model in between production cycle

for the 2.0 not the 3.0

[teaston]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

for the 2.0 not the 3.0

Cool, mine’s safe by 6 months then!

[Rhino at Work]

Strange that the website doesn't cover this on its recall page https://www.bmw.co.uk/landingpages/bmw-vehicle-recalls

[Bill10]

It also says 6 cylinder engines from July 2012 to June 2015

[Kal101]

Had my egr cooler changed under warranty as it cracked and was leaking coolant along with cleaning

Think I should be safe then?

[ryanwarriors9]

I had my egr cooler changed under good will out of warranty but also had to pay £150

[999rigger]

I think mine needs replacing. I get slight hesitation on light throttle.

[Hooded]

So what exactly are they going to do on the recall .. put the same not fit for purpose parts in again or are they designing a more reliable EGR replacement for it due to the fires

[vadimo]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

for the 2.0 not the 3.0

read it properly it also 6 cylinder!

are you getting bullied by x35i and x40i drivers then feeling like passing it on to 4 cylinder owners?

[SkyJawa]

Originally Posted by vadimo

read it properly it also 6 cylinder!

are you getting bullied by x35i and x40i drivers then feeling like passing it on to 4 cylinder owners?

No, you read properly. The date you quoted from the article was for the 2.0, to which my reply was perfectly valid.

6cyl is "(production from July 2012 until June 2015)"

Would you like a plate?

[Techno 9000]

Pleased to see they are instigating action.

The fault could be down to poor manufacture (rather than an inherent flaw in the design) of the original part so, even if no redesign of the EGR has occurred, replacement could overcome the potential for the fault to occur if the quality control has been improved.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by Techno 9000

Pleased to see they are instigating action.

The fault could be down to poor manufacture (rather than an inherent flaw in the design) of the original part so, even if no redesign of the EGR has occurred, replacement could overcome the potential for the fault to occur if the quality control has been improved.

We can only speculate at this moment in time. As the issue appears to be possibly solved with software revisions and only some cars may require new components, I do wonder if it is EGR strategy which is responsible for causing the build up of gunk, and possibly contributing to EGR component failures.

VW's fiasco with trying to sort NOx with modified software, is reported to cause EGR component failure in many cars. Indicates exhaust gas flow rates are pretty sensitive to control, across a breadth of use.

I suspect EGR flow rates may be too high in some situations. Some users driving will have more gunk building up, other driver's use will generate more heat. Both extremes can cause issues, combine the two and in some examples there is the recipe for the extreme reaction, fire.

[Soul_Glo]

With time an EGR can only kill an engine. The only way is to keep an eye on it. Even if you do motorway runs it might stick. Carbon will build up at some point and mess up the intake manifold. So true ownership costs include cleaning those components. An EGR leak can devastate in terms of a fire breaking out. People harp on about the environment... but would you really care if you missed an EGR fault... you were out of warranty and looking at the cost of a new engine? EGR has good intentions but the whole system is poor design. It is a shame that an entire engine warranty can be voided by BMW by removing or blanking the EGR.

I said it in another thread but BMW lied about 19 fires to the DVSA. They were caught out but kept on lying until eventually they were asked to address some of the problems.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by Surg_Capt_R

With time an EGR can only kill an engine. The only way is to keep an eye on it. Even if you do motorway runs it might stick. Carbon will build up at some point and mess up the intake manifold. So true ownership costs include cleaning those components. An EGR leak can devastate in terms of a fire breaking out. People harp on about the environment... but would you really care if you missed an EGR fault... you were out of warranty and looking at the cost of a new engine? EGR has good intentions but the whole system is poor design. It is a shame that an entire engine warranty can be voided by BMW by removing or blanking the EGR.

Diesel engines as we know them today, would be dead in the water, if EGR wasn't used. In fact the Variable Geometry Turbo (VGT) is also a key element in emission control. Part of the regulation of pressures across the engine. The VGT also gave us performance diesels which grabbed the attention of many users, but not without dubious emission levels, until the DPF was made compulsory. Without VGT and EGR, (and the DPF) we'd either be without diesel ICE, or the designs would have had to have taken a completely different path to control emissions. Probably much more expensive to get exhaust emissions under control.


Problem as I see it, as diesel emission systems age we have in reality higher costs, both for proper maintenance and keeping emissions low. MOT is still really playing with emission levels, "the elephant is in the room". Proper testing is really required (different rpms and load levels) and would highlight the real costs of running and maintaining higher mileage diesel.

[paulwtech]

Mine's a 2014 N47 F31....
I recently insisted my BMW dealership check for EGR Cooler failure whilst my car was in for service after coolant went low twice with no warning and with no apparent escape! Coolant pressure test was ok; technician diagnosed egr Cooler failure & the dealership are raising a claim case with BMW even though my build doesn't currently appear on the UK BMW EGR Cooler recall technical campaign!
More info here: https://www.bmw.co.uk/landingpages/b...e-recalls#gref
And here: https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/10/23/b...lion-vehicles/
My build is a 2014 F31 320D N47 efficientDynamics auto
My advice; if you're coolant goes low for no apparent reason; take it to a dealership & demand a test regardless of whether your build is on a recall list or not, & fight your corner before anything catastrophic & costly occurs! BMW press release: https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...86151EN/417072

[SkyJawa]

Originally Posted by paulwtech

Mine's a 2014 N47 F31....
I recently insisted my BMW dealership check for EGR Cooler failure whilst my car was in for service after coolant went low twice with no warning and with no apparent escape! Coolant pressure test was ok; technician diagnosed egr Cooler failure & the dealership are raising a claim case with BMW even though my build doesn't currently appear on the UK BMW EGR Cooler recall technical campaign!
More info here: https://www.bmw.co.uk/landingpages/b...e-recalls#gref
And here: https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/10/23/b...lion-vehicles/
My build is a 2014 F31 320D N47 efficientDynamics auto
My advice; if you're coolant goes low for no apparent reason; take it to a dealership & demand a test regardless of whether your build is on a recall list or not, & fight your corner before anything catastrophic & costly occurs! BMW press release: https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...86151EN/417072

I think we get the message, you don’t need to post the same thing in every egr thread you can find

[mkizzo]

I had a drivetrain error last year and after diagnostics at BMW found it to be EGR. Car was 3 months out of warranty. After negotiating the dealership replaced that and whole bunch of other components after a 400£ personal contribution.

In light of recent EGR press release/recall my car qualifies in this program.

Should I be speaking to dealer to get my contribution back?

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by mkizzo

I had a drivetrain error last year and after diagnostics at BMW found it to be EGR. Car was 3 months out of warranty. After negotiating the dealership replaced that and whole bunch of other components after a 400£ personal contribution.

In light of recent EGR press release/recall my car qualifies in this program.

Should I be speaking to dealer to get my contribution back?

It depends what the other components were. If you were contributing towards the replacement of the EGR cooler, I'd certainly be asking for a refund. The voluntary campaign relates specifically to the ERG cooler.

[mkizzo]

Originally Posted by Watsey

It depends what the other components were. If you were contributing towards the replacement of the EGR cooler, I'd certainly be asking for a refund. The voluntary campaign relates specifically to the ERG cooler.

Thanks Watsey
Initially just the EGR was replaced but after driving it back I got the same drivetrain error. It went back and forth several times with head office in Munich advising my dealership which components to replace. The total parts bill was apparently 4K but everything was a result of the cracked EGR.

[Harryg]

Originally Posted by amsbmw

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...nical-campaign

What’s everyones thoughts on this ? My cars currently in as a good will (£150 contribution from myself) to replace and inquired about this to them and bmw uk and both are clueless lol

I think by the time they get round to completing them you may have sold the car total shambles by BMW