[Poochie]

I broke my headlight washer nozzle today trying to remove my bumper, so I decided to do a DIY delete of the whole unit.. Weight reduction..

Anyways, It got me thinking and noticed that M2C doesn't have headlight washers on the front bumper..

As far as I know, all current M2s came with the washers stock.. Am I missing something or is this a pre-production omission?

[AndrewC1989]

As far as I can tell they've done away with them and to that I say good riddance. First thing I did when I got my M2 was code them out. The only thing they're good for is making a huge mess.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by andrewc89

As far as I can tell they've done away with them and to that I say good riddance. First thing I did when I got my M2 was code them out. The only thing they're good for is making a huge mess.

I believe you're correct; they're missing on the 2018 M4 also. I thought they were required by European law for Xenon headlights but I guess LEDs are in a different class..

Edit: Ok, so from what I just learned; headlight washers are required in Germany for any light on a car with lumen higher than 2000. Xenon is around 3000 lumen, LED is below 2000 lumen.

Xenon with dirty lens could possible blind other drivers.

So that answers that.. Bye Bye crying headlights..

[GoneIn4Secs]

i have yet to see what these things do??

[AndrewC1989]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Xenon is around 3000 lumen, LED is below 2000 lumen

...so xenons headlights are brighter than LED's?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by andrewc89

...so xenons headlights are brighter than LED's?

Factually, yes they are; as they produce more lumens than LEDs. Although LEDs might appear brighter because of it's white hue, it's really not..

They are both capped at 35 watts though..

22 watts for non-adaptive LEDs or halogen.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/b...led-26530.html

[AndrewC1989]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Factually, yes they are; as they produce more lumens than LEDs. Although LEDs might appear brighter because it's white hue, it's really not..

They are both capped at 35 watts though..

22 watts for non-adaptive LEDs or halogen.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/b...led-26530.html

Huh, that's pretty surprising as I figured the LCI headlights were an upgrade. Well at least I can say my Pre-LCI HID's are brighter, lol.

Also kinda makes me wonder how difficult a 55w upgrade would be...

[Spare°]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

i have yet to see what these things do??

They spray crap all over your bonnet...
Was worth upgrading from xenon to LED on my 3 series for the removal of these petulant little things alone.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I believe you're correct; they're missing on the 2018 M4 also. I thought they were required by European law for Xenon headlights but I guess LEDs are in a different class..

Edit: Ok, so from what I just learned; headlight washers are required in Germany for any light on a car with lumen higher than 2000. Xenon is around 3000 lumen, LED is below 2000 lumen.

Xenon with dirty lens could possible blind other drivers.

So that answers that.. Bye Bye crying headlights..

Do you have any links to measurements of the light output, or was that just based on interpretation of the law for the headlight washers?

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by Spare°

They spray crap all over your bonnet...
Was worth upgrading from xenon to LED on my 3 series for the removal of these petulant little things alone.

I have the adaptive led on my 2018

And these lil openings below the lights are there still, are they just unoperable then if I have led?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by chris719

Do you have any links to measurements of the light output, or was that just based on interpretation of the law for the headlight washers?

There are several sources online to confirm this fact. And also the reason BMW are no longer required to supply headlight washers for all LED headlights in the European market confirms that Xenon are "brighter."

A definitive answer on headlight brightness LED vs Xenon https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1230507

https://www.xenonpro.com/led-vs-xeno...ich-are-better

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/...f=23&t=1520695

https://www.quora.com/Do-I-need-a-he...ight-in-France

https://www.micksgarage.com/blog/com...car-headlights

Led adaptive headlights vs non adaptive https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1374141

[AlpsRider]

Even if the maximum lumen output is higher for the Xenons, that doesn't mean that the adaptive LEDs might make better use of distributing their light output. I don't know if there are any specs on that around...

[kevinbatm3]

Originally Posted by Spare°

They spray crap all over your bonnet...
Was worth upgrading from xenon to LED on my 3 series for the removal of these petulant little things alone.

i must do that too, thanks for sharing the sprayer is very annoying

[nioh_lbbm2]

Originally Posted by Poochie

There are several sources online to confirm this fact. And also the reason BMW are no longer required to supply headlight washers for all LED headlights in the European market confirms that Xenon are "brighter."

A definitive answer on headlight brightness LED vs Xenon https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1230507

https://www.xenonpro.com/led-vs-xeno...ich-are-better

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/...&t=1520695

https://www.quora.com/Do-I-need-a-he...ight-in-France

https://www.micksgarage.com/blog/com...car-headlights

Led adaptive headlights vs non adaptive https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1374141

Without specific bulb comparisons you can't say definitely that Xenon is brighter than the LED (and vice versa as well).

Amongst HID bulbs of the same type there is a huge disparity of lumen output just like with LED bulbs.

I'm not convinced the BMW xenon from 2017MY and older M2s are any more bright than the LCI LEDs. They're very close

[///MCollection]

I had xenon in my old 335d, they were the originals so 120k miles and 12 years they were dim as candles so age has a massive bearing on brightness.

I also have heard that in the uk the legal mot requirements for headlamp washers on xenon was dropped this year

[msdss]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I broke my headlight washer nozzle today trying to remove my bumper, so I decided to do a DIY delete of the whole unit.. Weight reduction..

Anyways, It got me thinking and noticed that M2C doesn't have headlight washers on the front bumper..

As far as I know, all current M2s came with the washers stock.. Am I missing something or is this a pre-production omission?

I am probably the only person in the world stupid enough to not understand what the hell you are saying. Can you please clarify?

You said you broke your headlight washer nozzle, but then realized you don't have headlight washers. How did you break something that you don't have?

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by msdss

I am probably the only person in the world stupid enough to not understand what the hell you are saying. Can you please clarify?

You said you broke your headlight washer nozzle, but then realized you don't have headlight washers. How did you break something that you don't have?

I think he has an M2 and was referencing the M2C, which has them deleted.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I think he has an M2 and was referencing the M2C, which has them deleted.

You're right, thanks..

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by msdss

I am probably the only person in the world stupid enough to not understand what the hell you are saying. Can you please clarify?

You said you broke your headlight washer nozzle, but then realized you don't have headlight washers. How did you break something that you don't have?

The pre-LCI M2 came with Xenon headlights and mandatory headlight washers.

The LCI M2 & Competition both have LEDs, which falls under 2,000 lumens light output, thus, under the mandatory threshold for requiring headlight washers.

#TheMoreYouKnow

[MMMBRAP]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I broke my headlight washer nozzle today trying to remove my bumper, so I decided to do a DIY delete of the whole unit.. Weight reduction..

Anyways, It got me thinking and noticed that M2C doesn't have headlight washers on the front bumper..

As far as I know, all current M2s came with the washers stock.. Am I missing something or is this a pre-production omission?

I'm actually glad it doesn't have them. I had them on every car previous to getting the M2C and I hardly ever used it.

If anything, they always seem to break, so in the rare occasion that I push the button to activate it, it doesn't work!

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by MMMBRAP

I'm actually glad it doesn't have them. I had them on every car previous to getting the M2C and I hardly ever used it.

If anything, they always seem to break, so in the rare occasion that I push the button to activate it, it doesn't work!

They are unnecessary, I still had to wipe the dirt build-up off the Xenons lens, after the washers squirt water all over the car, anyways..

In theory, headlight washers combine with wiper blades, like how some mid-90s, high-end Mercedes used to do, it might of worked better but in practice, washers/squirters are factually useless..

Not to mention, it was pretty surprising but the washer hose lines, pump and squirters weight a good 5lbs, so I was happy to eliminate the system and not just having it siting there, deadheading, while the feature itself was decoded, anyways. #WeightReduction

This setup below might of worked better than BMW's headlight washer attempt but are obviously not aesthetically pleasing:

[Davil]

Good riddance to Xenon. Horrible technology. Wait until they fail (and they will spectacularly) and you discover the replacement cost.