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M2 COMP + Dinan anyone?
I read a post, that I happen to somewhat agree with, about M2LCI plus Dinan is almost as good or better than M2 Comp.
But has anyone besides me budgeted for Dinan upgrades for the Competition? I am looking at current M2 P2 (power package) for about $7500 not installed. I know the starting numbers are different for m3 vs m2comp but Im quite excited about adding @60-70 hp and @100 tq to this small but somewhat heavy car. I will forgo the Roof surgery and spend that 2k+ on power. Also looking to get the upgraded wheels and possibly the carbon hood. Anyone have any experience with the M3 w/Dinan?
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Dinan always advertises their crank HP/torque numbers and they are usually not inline with real life gains (you can find several threads under M3/M4 subforums). I think Dinan is just total waste of money and I rather get a flash tune for the fraction of how much Dinan costs. BM3 or BPM flash tune is the way to go IMO. I'm personally planning to get a genuine M4 CS tune from BPM after my break-in service.
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I would prefer a software flash but I am worried about this "Shadow Codes" BMW's DME is now capable of storing that's automatically triggered when the EEPROM data is re-written, i.e. aftermarket tunes...
I guess the safest way to go is to use a piggyback in which the increased boost pressure is not too front-loaded and more linear, such as Dinan.. They're required to open a PUMA case with every S55 repair also, according to the guy below.. ***201101, DME, tamper protection, recognized program or data manipulation*** http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...php?p=20768281 http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1142408 http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1455263 |
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P.S. When I talk about a CS flash tune, I mean a genuine CS DME flash, not CS-like flash tune. For instance, BPM is capable of flashing the original M4 CS DME software into any S55 DME. So it's like BMW selling you M4 CS power level upgrade without the warranty instead of a tuner trying to come up with a tune that acts like the original M3/M4 CS tune. |
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Except for the fact that you supposedly dont lose any of your warranty if you use a dealer supported Dinan tune. That in large parts accounts for the additional costs, which to some people, is well worth it so as not to have to wait til car warranty expires to acquire a warranty-proof tune.
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I had two cases where I required coverage. In the first case, the E36 M3 had weak rear shock tower mounts, and the passenger side one cracked. It was a major structural flaw, and was no doubt exacerbated by the stiff Dinan Koni Suspension which was installed. My BMW dealer was also the Dinan dealer where I bought the setup, and the repair was totally covered, which required welding in of new shock towers.. Car was out of commission for about a week as I recall. The second coverage situation involved a large break in the weld of the muffler which was part of the Dinan exhaust installation. In that case, the dealer who was my Dinan selling dealer in combination with Dinan decided not to cover it, citing a small increase in boost I had applied via smaller drive pulley.. I always maintained that the exhaust/muffler should have been able to handle the small increase in boost, but they denied it, forcing me to go out of pocket for a new exhaust which I wound up sourcing from AA. That exhaust/muffler had no such problems with not only that boost level, but considerably more which I implemented later. So, in the end, you sometimes wind up paying a premium for the privilege of getting the warranty which is often times not supported in reality.
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I would be willing to mod with Dinan. Dealers in my area offer it.
Also interested in others as well. Last edited by seis-speed; 05-27-2018 at 11:48 PM.. |
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One downside to Dinan tune is they only match factory new car warranty, 4yr/50k. If you don't plan on keeping the car long and plan on trading it in later dealers either won't want it or will give you less for the car. Reason is neither Dinan or BMW will cover an extended 2yr CPO warranty. So they cannot sell it as a CPO car which makes it less desirable. If you plan on keeping it long or selling to private party then it really doesn't matter, but just something to keep in mind.
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Just because it's Dinan doesn't necessarily means that any potential warranty claim will be smooth sailing; cue the finger-pointing..
My nightmare experience getting Dinan Springs installed- FINAL UPDATE 12/01/15 https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1164914 http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1396904 http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281758 I could find over 30 different scenarios where Dinan blames the dealer and the dealer blames Dinan - all while the customer is left in limbo.. And those are just the ones online that we actually hear about; I could only imagine how many people became "woke" to Dinan's false sense of security, at the worst possible time.. #BuyersBeware |
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The M4 CS map developed by the M division is better and safer than anything from Dinan...warranty or not
The S55 is the same on both cars so just flash it with a M4 CS map and call it a day It beat the 500hp Alfa Romeo Giulia QV in a drag (from 0:55) |
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That sounds like a decent option. I will look into this. Just keep in mind price IS NOT the deciding factor. I want the safer way to make more power... under warranty is a bonus. Budget allows for anything and everything Dinan offers, but if the M4CS map is better, than i will certainly think about it.
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If the M4 CS tune is not an official BMW option and added afterwards, third-party, doesn't that break the ECU's tamper protection seal and void the warrant just as any other aftermarket tune would? Seems like the same-difference to me..
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Dinan, another piggyback, or a flash tune doesn't matter. Every single one of the these tuning routes leaves a footprint on ECU in some way. If you think piggybacks are undetectable or much safer just because they don't require DME unlock, you might be in for a big surprise when things go down south. There are various number of threads under M3/M4 forum and many people tend to agree Dinan is just a rip off for what it is and you get the most out of a flash tune. Btw I must say I'm not a huge fan of tuning my cars at all mainly because I don't want to risk things. However, I'll happily sign up for a proven formula aka a genuine M4 CS tune. Dinan is a well established company providing safe tuning service solutions too but it's just way too overpriced for what it is IMO. Flash tuning has come along way and vendors are now able to flash without increasing the flash counter, flash it back to stock and lock the DME again without triggering a tamper code etc. All these operations can be done within minutes before a dealer visit. However, again, this doesn't mean what you have done to your car is not detectable. Mod at your own risk and don't assume you are safe with a piggyback compared to a flash tune. P.S. Regardless of which option you go with, all I'm gonna say is just do your research and read about these two solutions guys.
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I will certainly research it. We have some time... September deliveries?
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