[aerokubectl]

Based on the crazy deals you can get M3 Comps which are arguably more premium with regard to seats, options and other tid bit extras, why would anyone bother with an M2C which starts at 60k?

I've been patiently waiting on an M2C because I decided the M4 was more than I needed, but now with the price being basically equal I'm confused.

For the record nobody is paying MSRP on m3s or m4s, they're usually at a minimum 5k off MSRP. The M2C on the other hand looks like will go for MSRP at a minimum.

Anyone feel me?

[akkando]

Originally Posted by oshalygin

Based on the crazy deals you can get M3 Comps which are arguably more premium with regard to seats, options and other tid bit extras, why would anyone bother with an M2C which starts at 60k?

I've been patiently waiting on an M2C because I decided the M4 was more than I needed, but now with the price being basically equal I'm confused.

For the record nobody is paying MSRP on m3s or m4s, they're usually at a minimum 5k off MSRP. The M2C on the other hand looks like will go for MSRP at a minimum.

Anyone feel me?

it's a smaller car.

[jdarwin]

Owned an M2 for over a year. Truly an awesome car. Just bought a 2018 M3 ZCP, Exec, 6MT for 67,800 - list 76,300. A comparability equipped M2C would be $62k. There is a world of difference between the two - a lot more than $5k.

[Cavpilot2k]

I don't know how close you could really get the pricing (assuming nobody pays more than MSRP for the M2C, which dealers can mark them up all they want, but if consumers refuse to pay the markup and take their business to a dealer who isn't marking them up, dealers would stop that nonsense).

That said, let's say there is a $10k difference.
I'd take the M2C.

Let's say there's a $5k difference.
I'd take the M2C.

In all honesty, if they were the same price, I'd take the M2C because I think the M3/4 is too big to be fun/tossable. I drove one a few years back in an Autocross and I felt like it was a boat.
The M2 still feels nimble (though I have only driven the outgoing model, not the new Comp) where the M4 didn't.
Then again, my perspective is that of someone who has been DD'ing a modded 135 for 6 years, so my size tolerance may be skewed.

Lastly, while it's not something that I care about because I don't buy cars for investments and I recognize that there is always something newer just around the corner, for a lot of people the fact that the current M3/4 model is ending it's life cycle soon is a factor. Some people won't buy the last MY of a car.

[jdarwin]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

for a lot of people the fact that the current M3/4 model is ending it's life cycle soon is a factor. Some people won't buy the last MY of a car.

That was my primary reason. The G80 "may" be 8-speed auto only. And "may" have AWD. And "may" be hybrid in some sense. And, the price for all that will be applied appropriately. Getting an M3 under 80k will be a thing of the past.

Having owned both, there are positives and negatives for both. The M3 may not be as "tossable" but that wasn't my primary reason for owning a car. The M3 is brutally quick and yet a more refined drive than the M2.

And, I'm no longer being chased around by every Beaver Knievel in a WRX, F86 or hopped up Civic w/ a fart can exhaust.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by oshalygin

Based on the crazy deals you can get M3 Comps which are arguably more premium with regard to seats, options and other tid bit extras, why would anyone bother with an M2C which starts at 60k?

I've been patiently waiting on an M2C because I decided the M4 was more than I needed, but now with the price being basically equal I'm confused.

For the record nobody is paying MSRP on m3s or m4s, they're usually at a minimum 5k off MSRP. The M2C on the other hand looks like will go for MSRP at a minimum.

Anyone feel me?

M3 and M4 are too big. I don’t care which one is more premium. M2 is the same length as E46 M3 but 3in wider. It is that perfect size. My minimum M4 build is $78,600.

[Cavpilot2k]

Yeah, I think it ultimately comes down to a size thing.

For some of us, the M3/4 is too big, for some the M2 is almost too small.

Me: I don't care about refinement really. Sure, good fit and finish is to be expected, but Luxury is the last thing I care about in a car. I don't need to feel like my ass is being pampered in Rich Corinthian Leather.
I'm a soldier. I've called some of the worst conditions imaginable home, so basic comforts are plenty. What I do care about is performance.
And while the M3/4 IS brutally fast, I think the S55-equipped M2C will also be.
Plus, if it feels as good as the N55 version, it will still feel nimble and agile, which is something I feel was lacking in the M4.
YMMV.

But that's the beauty of it - we all have different priorities and thresholds for any given criteria, and there are cars out there to meet them all!

At this point, the only thing that might keep me out of an M2C is if the new Supra comes in MT, which is not expected.

[chmura]

Because the M4 is a boat in size in comparision.

I have no interest in a coupe that is bigger than most sedans.

Give me a M2c stripped out with manual seats, no navigation, no fluff that weights 100+ lbs less.

If you want luxury get an M3/4/5.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

M3 and M4 are too big. I don’t care which one is more premium. M2 is the same length as E46 M3 but 3in wider. It is that perfect size. My minimum M4 build is $78,600.

Agreed on the size.

Came from a 981 CS and the size of my F80 ZCP is my biggest complaint with it - I have even got used to the sound.

But the mass, the overall heft of the car is more than I want or need. The M2C is much more similar to my old 981 in terms of size, but not quite as extreme. I think it will be a nice landing spot.

[mastermav]

M2C interior looks cheap comparing to M3/M4 - merino leather feels so good

[infinitekidM2C]

if you don't get it then don't get it...bye

[MiSchnell]

Personally, all things being equal (leather, interior finishes, suspension, options, power), I'd be willing to pay a decent price premium for an M2 over the M4. Then again I'd likely never buy a car as large as the M4 with two doors so I'd opt for the M3 instead (pretty sure the M4 is nearly the exact same length and weight of my old E34 M5). I really hope BMW gives us the opportunity to pay this price premium one day in the form of a lightweight M2 CSL.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by jdarwin

Owned an M2 for over a year. Truly an awesome car. Just bought a 2018 M3 ZCP, Exec, 6MT for 67,800 - list 76,300. A comparability equipped M2C would be $62k. There is a world of difference between the two - a lot more than $5k.

this is my point as well.. the M2 is only a value proposition now compared to the M3 and M4.

you can easily negotiate a better deal on an M3 or M4 on a purchase.
you can get a factory installed CF roof on an M3 or M4.
you get HUD
you get magnetic adjustable suspension
one won't have to wait in line to get an M4
M4 is still available in Mineral Gray - for those that love that color.

on the plus side for the M2...

Originally Posted by akkando

it's a smaller car.

Originally Posted by MiSchnell

Personally, all things being equal (leather, interior finishes, suspension, options, power), I'd be willing to pay a decent price premium for an M2 over the M4. Then again I'd likely never buy a car as large as the M4 with two doors so I'd opt for the M3 instead (pretty sure the M4 is nearly the exact same length and weight of my old E34 M5). I really hope BMW gives us the opportunity to pay this price premium one day in the form of a lightweight M2 CSL.

Agree with you on the M2 CSL.
Absolutely agree on the size. If I really wanted a 3600 lb car I would have bought an M4 long ago... but it's HUUGE. and agree an M3 would be more practical and what I would get... except for the fact that it's the size of an E34 M5.... also HUGE.

looks like Car and Driver also noticed the M2 bumping it's head on the M4

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/co...etition-priced


Pack in all the options and, at $68,095, the M2 Competition edges out the M3’s $67,495 starting price and rides perilously close to the M4’s $69,695

[YasF80_SLO]

Originally Posted by chmura

Because the M4 is a boat in size in comparision.

I have no interest in a coupe that is bigger than most sedans.

Give me a M2c stripped out with manual seats, no navigation, no fluff that weights 100+ lbs less.

If you want luxury get an M3/4/5.

I hear this may come out soon, but limited production will hike the price up, so just do the above modifications yourself on an M2c once its out of warrenty.

[aerokubectl]

Originally Posted by jdarwin

Owned an M2 for over a year. Truly an awesome car. Just bought a 2018 M3 ZCP, Exec, 6MT for 67,800 - list 76,300. A comparability equipped M2C would be $62k. There is a world of difference between the two - a lot more than $5k.

In a positive way? This decision has become really hard based on the new pricing that came out. 10k is a big deal but 5k seems very minimal!

Especially when you consider lease deals(assuming the M2C is going to lease just as bad as the m2)

[amancuso]

Originally Posted by 2013_E92

I hear this may come out soon, but limited production will hike the price up, so just do the above modifications yourself on an M2c once its out of warrenty.

I don't think production will be any more limited than what was for the 16-18 MY M2s.

[mike in o.c.]

Originally Posted by jdarwin

Owned an M2 for over a year. Truly an awesome car. Just bought a 2018 M3 ZCP, Exec, 6MT for 67,800 - list 76,300. A comparability equipped M2C would be $62k. There is a world of difference between the two - a lot more than $5k.

You got one heck of a deal on that M3!

[Nkc]

Personally, I don't see a "real" BMW enthusiast in an M3/M4 nowadays. I'd say it pretty much stopped halfway between the e46 and the e9x. If you don't get the point of a M2C, you'll never get it and it wasn't intended for you in the first place.

I have yet to see an F8x M on track. Lots of E36, E46 back in the day and minimal E9x but not one F8x. More than an handful of M2's though.

M3/4 will fit most of the population's needs when it comes to a "performance" BMW.

Btw, have you driven an M2 or 1M?

[KevinM]

I get the M2C completely. M knows that a lot of buyers of the car are not doing so because of the price but because they want a small, nimble M car. That certainly describes me.

[aerokubectl]

Originally Posted by Nkc

Btw, have you driven an M2 or 1M?

I've test driven the m2/m3/m4. Ive actually driven a manual and an auto m2. Idk, I wasn't digging the Rev match, maybe it takes some time but that feature wasn't for me.

I liked the m2 but felt it was a bit underpowered. It had a different power feel, overall I think it was a good car I just couldn't see myself getting it over the M2C which was around the corner(this March).

Never driven the 1M

[aerokubectl]

Originally Posted by KevinM

I get the M2C completely. M knows that a lot of buyers of the car are not doing so because of the price but because they want a small, nimble M car. That certainly describes me.

In theory isn't that the roadster?

[seis-speed]

Fun size of M2 with power of M4. Seems like a perfect combo. Only caveat, just gotta see how it drives with an extra 55kg’s mainly on the front. OG M2 felt much lighter to drive than listed curb-weight would indicate.