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      05-07-2018, 08:50 PM   #1
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M CF roof assembly process: factory, port, dealer or body shop ?

Let’s put this topic to bed. You’re welcome

Read here:
https://www.bimmer-mag.com/issues/12...h#.WvEBUBZlCaM
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How does this explain anything? You're referencing to an article that's almost 4yrs old about M cars (M3/4) which come standard with CF roofs (unless sunroof is opted for) to begin with. Not to mention how much the entire CF process has most likely changed in that time.
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How does this explain anything? You're referencing to an article that's almost 4yrs old about M cars (M3/4) which come standard with CF roofs (unless sunroof is opted for) to begin with. Not to mention how much the entire CF process has most likely changed in that time.
Good working processes don't change.

Why would anyone think they would hack up a steel (whatever material used roof) and discard it at the port and conduct the full (10 hour?) install process?

We see the process with the M3/M4 - they can pluck vehicles off the line for an 8 minute install. This rather than a larger job that someone's going to have to pay the labor for at the port. In addition there's the cost of the steel roof and paint they would have saved.

If someone has a better streamlined production flow that minimizes time, cost, error rate, and maximizes quality, please chime in.
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Good working processes don't change.

Why would anyone think they would hack up a steel (whatever material used roof) and discard it at the port and conduct the full (10 hour?) install process?

We see the process with the M3/M4 - they can pluck vehicles off the line for an 8 minute install. This rather than a larger job that someone's going to have to pay the labor for at the port. In addition there's the cost of the steel roof and paint they would have saved.

If someone has a better streamlined production flow that minimizes time, cost, error rate, and maximizes quality, please chime in.
Yours is nothing more than a guess just like everyone else's is. The mystery isn't solved at all, young Padawan.
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Yours is nothing more than a guess just like everyone else's is. The mystery isn't solved at all, young Padawan.
Well that’s not true.

I see several different groups of people here.

There are people here who are technical and performance savvy.

There are people here that know lots about BMW’s and specific vehicle history.

The ones all stirred up about having their roofs cut know nothing about technical automotive repair/replace and the service industry. They’re the ones who don’t know the difference between tools living in an entry-level repair (dealership) technician’s toolbox to a journeyman technician to a master technician - that also differentiates between body shop technicians.

It’s okay, not everyone’s background revolves around tools and taking things apart professionally. This is the safe place for them to get educated.

This carbon roof we talk about is not one you install after the assembly line if ordered by BMW as part of your build. Cutting, ect is only if you order it at the parts department as a replacement for your existing metal one.
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I'm quite sure it is an option installed at the factory. HOWEVER you can't possibly say that is what they are going to do because unless you are Frank Van Meel or a slew of others in charge of this kind of thing, you don't have the answer.
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Yours is nothing more than a guess just like everyone else's is. The mystery isn't solved at all, young Padawan.
Well that’s not true.

I see several different groups of people here.

There are people here who are technical and performance savvy.

There are people here that know lots about BMW’s and specific vehicle history.

The ones all stirred up about having their roofs cut know nothing about technical automotive repair/replace and the service industry. They’re the ones who don’t know the difference between tools living in an entry-level repair (dealership) technician’s toolbox to a journeyman technician to a master technician - that also differentiates between body shop technicians.

It’s okay, not everyone’s background revolves around tools and taking things apart professionally. This is the safe place for them to get educated.

This carbon roof we talk about is not one you install after the assembly line if ordered by BMW as part of your build. Cutting, ect is only if you order it at the parts department as a replacement for your existing metal one.
This sounded so condescending, lol.
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Let's put this topic to bed. You're welcome


Read here:

https://www.bimmer-mag.com/issues/12...h#.WvEBUBZlCaM

Sixty M4 built per day ....

Assuming several weeks off for shutdowns and holidays, 330 production days would yield 19,800 M4 in a year.

1M production was 6309 worldwide.

@artemis get woke. .. check me on that and pull up some data on what M2 worldwide production to date is ????

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BMW M2 with total sales of 12,293 "strongest growth driver" of 2017 for BMW M https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1456679

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BMW is currently cranking out 33% more M4 than M2 based on these figures. That doesn't even include the M3 which is on the same platform as well. I can GAR-ON-TEE that more M3 as well are sold a year than M2..
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This sounded so condescending, lol.
He took shop class in Middle School.
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Let’s put this topic to bed. You’re welcome

Read here:
https://www.bimmer-mag.com/issues/12...h#.WvEBUBZlCaM

In respect to the production of carbon fiber, this article was written in the Stone Age.
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Sixty M4 built per day ....

Assuming several weeks off for shutdowns and holidays, 330 production days would yield 19,800 M4 in a year.

1M production was 6309 worldwide.

@artemis get woke. .. check me on that and pull up some data on what M2 worldwide production to date is ????

Edit I think I found it.


BMW M2 with total sales of 12,293 "strongest growth driver" of 2017 for BMW M https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1456679

GreatWhiteM2


BMW is currently cranking out 33% more M4 than M2 based on these figures. That doesn't even include the M3 which is on the same platform as well. I can GAR-ON-TEE that more M3 as well are sold a year than M2..
I'm not taking sides to this debate, but have a question. Why are more 3/4 series sold than 2 series cars and how does that factor into this?



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As stated in a different thread all M Performance parts are installed at the dealerships.

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I just checked with BMW M.

ALL parts are fitted at the dealer! I will discuss this in more detail over the weekend, because I am also stunned by it.

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As stated in a different thread all M Performance parts are installed at the dealerships.

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To clarify he said dealer or port. As they don’t have a port over there, like the US.
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To clarify he said dealer or port. As they don’t have a port over there, like the US.
That´s correct. But it´s not installed in the factory (status quo)
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I was told "Dealer", but for you guys in the U.S. that means port and dealer!

- Dealer for cars already delivered
- Port for new cars.

Correct me if I am wrong, but that is how every single M Performance part is installed right now... Isn't it?

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That´s correct. But it´s not installed in the factory (status quo)
Yup. Port install does give the advantage of seeing the work done before you complete the purchase of the car and no install costs.
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I was told "Dealer", but for you guys in the U.S. that means port and dealer!

- Dealer for cars already delivered
- Port for new cars.

Correct me if I am wrong, but that is how every single M Performance part is installed right now... Isn't it?

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Yes, that's correct.

On all the pamphlets on M Performance parts in the US, they always refer to them as "aftersale" options. I pointed that out to a few here about the CF roof option but they where adamant that BMW would roll out the red carpet this time around and offer a factory install. Obviously, the M2C is just another car in their line-up and they didn't change policy - who knew
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Yes, that's correct.

On all the pamphlets on M Performance parts in the US, they always refer to them as "aftersale" options. I pointed that out to a few here about the CB roof option but they where adamant that BMW would roll out the red carpet this time around and offer a factor install. Obviously, the M2C is just another car in their line-up and they didn't change policy - who knew
That is the current statement. M Performance = aftersale.

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That is the current statement. M Performance = aftersale.
Yes, the question has been answered (source: here):
  • Q: Can parts be installed at factory (e.g. CF roof)?
  • A: No. All (these) are accessories and can be installed at every dealer ("Händler") or dealership ("Niederlassung"). Detailed install instructions will be provided.
  • Q: Seriously ? Roof replacement at dealer/dealership ?
  • A: Yes, each of them should be capable to do this.
  • Q: Will there be a possibility in the future for factory install ?
  • A: Is not planned.
  • Q: Will there be a limited M2 CSL/GTS (whatever the name may be) which will feature all these parts ?
  • A: No comment.
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Yes, the question has been answered (source: here):
  • Q: Can parts be installed at factory (e.g. CF roof)?
  • A: No. All (these) are accessories and can be installed at every dealer ("Händler") or dealership ("Niederlassung"). Detailed install instructions will be provided.
  • Q: Seriously ? Roof replacement at dealer/dealership ?
  • A: Yes, each of them should be capable to do this.
  • Q: Will there be a possibility in the future for factory install ?
  • A: Is not planned.
  • Q: Will there be a limited M2 CSL/GTS (whatever the name may be) which will feature all these parts ?
  • A: No comment.
mtoosexy you can wait for M2 CS...
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mtoosexy you can wait for M2 CS...
Looking forward to that "Kein Kommentar Edition" ("No Comment Edition").
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