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      04-05-2018, 10:02 PM   #1
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Thumbs up AWD Super Sedan Race - BMW M5 vs Mercedes-AMG E63 S on ice by Top Gear UK

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      04-06-2018, 12:28 AM   #2
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would have preferred on tarmac but ice would have to do for now !
thanks for sharing tough
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would have preferred on tarmac but ice would have to do for now !
thanks for sharing tough
i.e., this? https://e89.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1483812
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Shows how capable these cars are in harsh conditions. I wouldn't dare taking an M3 on PSS on a snowy idaho day!
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Interesting ice comparo
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Test/comparison is 100% worthless without knowing tire details. Top Gear fail.
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Test/comparison is 100% worthless without knowing tire details. Top Gear fail.
They are very clearly running on whatever the OEM winter tire package is if you look at the tread.

If MB chose inferior tires seems like a fair reason to lose?
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Test/comparison is 100% worthless without knowing tire details. Top Gear fail.
They are very clearly running on whatever the OEM winter tire package is if you look at the tread.

If MB chose inferior tires seems like a fair reason to lose?
Yes but Trasfer is not wrong. Tires are key here
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Test/comparison is 100% worthless without knowing tire details. Top Gear fail.
They are very clearly running on whatever the OEM winter tire package is if you look at the tread.

If MB chose inferior tires seems like a fair reason to lose?
Yes but Trasfer is not wrong. Tires are key here
Maybe MB should choose better performing tires?

I agree tires are everything but it seems something about the package MB offers isn't as good.

I think what is relevant is snow package from BMW > snow package from MB in this particular test
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Test/comparison is 100% worthless without knowing tire details. Top Gear fail.
They are very clearly running on whatever the OEM winter tire package is if you look at the tread.

If MB chose inferior tires seems like a fair reason to lose?
Yes but Trasfer is not wrong. Tires are key here
Maybe MB should choose better performing tires?

I agree tires are everything but it seems something about the package MB offers isn't as good.

I think what is relevant is snow package from BMW > snow package from MB in this particular test

I have the Pirelli OEM snow package for my F30 and I'm very happy with it.
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Whats up with the doctored bit at the very end to make it look like they both had an even start?? M5 clearly got the jump in their test, why not try again? weird!
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Test/comparison is 100% worthless without knowing tire details. Top Gear fail.
They are very clearly running on whatever the OEM winter tire package is if you look at the tread.

If MB chose inferior tires seems like a fair reason to lose?
Yes but Trasfer is not wrong. Tires are key here
Maybe MB should choose better performing tires?

I agree tires are everything but it seems something about the package MB offers isn't as good.

I think what is relevant is snow package from BMW > snow package from MB in this particular test
But to me the point of the test is which AWD system is more superior. Without knowing the tires we can't determine the very important control that is the tire in this test. Besides, who buys the OEM winter packages? Waste of money every single one of them and often an inferior tire.
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AMG clearly was on 2WD.

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BMW M xDrive!!! About fucking time!

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