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      03-24-2018, 05:50 AM   #1
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CarWow Bmw M5 vs AMG E63s drag race

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I guess we have to wait for the competition pack

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      03-24-2018, 08:01 AM   #2
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slightly annoyed by this but looking forward to see more comparos between these 2.
I'm pretty sure that the M5 will have the edge on a track but than again, few owners will take their E63 or M5 on the track...

Now has the first service been performed on the F90 ? Car mileage is showing 1.943 (3"50 on the video)
There is this theory on this thread where some people claim that the car is de-tuned before 1st service... could it be ???

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slightly annoyed by this but looking forward to see more comparos between these 2.
I'm pretty sure that the M5 will have the edge on a track but than again, few owners will take their E63 or M5 on the track...

Now has the first service been performed on the F90 ? Car mileage is showing 1.943 (3"50 on the video)
There is this theory on this thread where some people claim that the car is de-tuned before 1st service... could it be ???
Heartbroken too. I don’t know why the big difference to the car and driver test. This video I feel is more realistic. You can see Matt really wanted the M5 to win but it couldn’t especially when he drove the test car which he got 0-60 below 3 secs, but this one couldn’t do that.

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We are.far.from a constant 10's 1/4 miles ...
11.4 ...
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      03-24-2018, 09:00 AM   #5
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Let's wait for more tests but with AWD, little room to make mistakes.

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Did not look like he used launch control properly. Could not tell if the trans level shift was on 3 either. The mag testing protocols are more consistent.
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      03-24-2018, 09:10 AM   #7
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Probably the pirelli tire on the m5...
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Did not look like he used launch control properly. Could not tell if the trans level shift was on 3 either. The mag testing protocols are more consistent.
Carwow is a magazine and is pretty darn consistent with results. It is to be expected. CarandDriver was doing different octane of fuel for the E63S and M5 F90, Carwow tested the cars at the same day, time, and with the same fuel. The E63 S is 50kg heavier, but it has a bucket load more torque and some extra power. I don't see this as a bad showing for BMW, rather it is quite impressive that it was this close.
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We are.far.from a constant 10's 1/4 miles ...
11.4 ...
To achieve the 10.9, Car & Driver did say that they sort of unlocked a special launch feature ("When fluid temperatures are right, the computer allows the engine to rev to nearly 3000 rpm, and the rear tires start spinning as if the M5 were rear-wheel drive. Release the brakes, the front wheels kick in, and the M5 pounds forward"). They also specified that the car will only do that a couple times, and without that launch it's not quite as quick.

So it wasn't gonna do 10s constantly regardless.
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Did not look like he used launch control properly. Could not tell if the trans level shift was on 3 either. The mag testing protocols are more consistent.
Mate, the M5 F90 jumped ahead both times. He was using Launch Control. A M5 F90 going out of the hole without launch countrol would never out launch an E63 S.

He was with trans on level 3 and with everything on its most aggressive setting (as is visible when he shows the 0-60).

Nevertheless, very good showing from BMW. Quite impressive actually.
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Carwow is a magazine and is pretty darn consistent with results. It is to be expected. CarandDriver was doing different octane of fuel for the E63S and M5 F90, Carwow tested the cars at the same day, time, and with the same fuel. The E63 S is 50kg heavier, but it has a bucket load more torque and some extra power. I don't see this as a bad showing for BMW, rather it is quite impressive that it was this close.
Car and Drivet was same cars same day also. Plus they understood LC. No one knows if they put different octane in the test cars. Just stated the OEM specs. Who knows what octane CW used. Either way, the cars are probably very equal and is a drivers race.
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Mate, the M5 F90 jumped ahead both times. He was using Launch Control. A M5 F90 going out of the hole without launch countrol would never out launch an E63 S.

He was with trans on level 3 and with everything on its most aggressive setting (as is visible when he shows the 0-60).

Nevertheless, very good showing from BMW. Quite impressive actually.
Easy to jump ahead without the proper use of LC. Very easy.
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I have a vbox. just need to find a road to test on.
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What's really curious to me is that Carwow tested the M760i on three separate occasions and it did 11.3s each time. Surely the M5 can't be slower than the M760i, especially in a quarter mile ? On the Autobahn from 250km/h maybe, the V12 pulls hard at high speeds, but in a quarter where the M760i can't even launch in 1st ? Something is not right
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The magazines brought the M5 11.6 1/4 with RWD only ... 11.4 with AWD ? It can't be it, sorry .
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Are people really trying to find escuses for why this AMG won? Guys, take it as a compliment that it was so close. AMG are playing in the big leagues now. You can comfort yourself by saying carwow did something wrong if it makes you feel better if it helps.

This is just the e class, imagine when that 4 door GTR gets on the road.
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Are people really trying to find escuses for why this AMG won? Guys, take it as a compliment that it was so close. AMG are playing in the big leagues now. You can comfort yourself by saying carwow did something wrong if it makes you feel better if it helps.

This is just the e class, imagine when that 4 door GTR gets on the road.
No excuses. It is what it is. Both cars are very close in accel even as tested by C & D in the shootout that the M5 won.

Two reputable Mags tested the M5 at 2.8 and 10.9. Another at 3.0 and 11.1

Somehow CarWow’s M5 leaves before the AMG and is caught by AMG before they hit 60mph. Then gets an 11.4 from the M5. That’s the CarWow test numbers. It what it is.
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Are people really trying to find escuses for why this AMG won? Guys, take it as a compliment that it was so close. AMG are playing in the big leagues now. You can comfort yourself by saying carwow did something wrong if it makes you feel better if it helps.

This is just the e class, imagine when that 4 door GTR gets on the road.
Don't try to find excuse. Just that this video is not what we have read on many magazine and review....
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Are people really trying to find escuses for why this AMG won? Guys, take it as a compliment that it was so close. AMG are playing in the big leagues now. You can comfort yourself by saying carwow did something wrong if it makes you feel better if it helps.

This is just the e class, imagine when that 4 door GTR gets on the road.
Yeah I agree, it's ok AMG won, it has more torque and only slightly heavier, is it inconceivable that it could beat the M5?

Maybe another test will have different results but both are good cars regardless.
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MB with a bit more torque and HP is the difference maker IMHO all else being equal; nothing a piggy can’t cure.
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No need for such butthurt for the M5 F90's loss. It is expected. First things first. The M5 F90 11.4 1/4 mile is expected on that track. It is a dustier and less grippy surface than the optimal conditions of other tracks the car was tested. (Plus the day this was shot, it is clear it is a bit colder and not dry).

Secondly, a lot of American Magazines use 1 feet rollout (that can impact the calculation of the results).

These cars are equally quick. Accept that. The E63 S edged it by a ridiculous margin. It may have done here, it might not do the same in other tests. Who knows? Who cares that 1 car is 0.1s quicker in the 1/4 mile. These cars are about the overall experience and sensation of driving, not drag racing like retard.
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