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      03-22-2018, 08:56 PM   #1
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1st dyno on our stock F90 m5

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First dyno for our 2018 BMW F90 M5

We chose an unbiased company to the BMW community specializing in all wheel drive vehicles.

EVASIVE Motorsports in Santa Fe Springs Ca, uses the “Heartbreak” Mustang dyno which reads “real load” conditions as we figure the more popular Dynojet will be posted and want to give the enthusiast the most realist “upfront” information just like our Carbon Fiber products.

We did 6 pulls 3 with AWD and 3 with RWD, we will post dyno jets at later.

450 RWHP/481 RWTQ
471 AWHP/509 AWTQ


Also known as the HEARTBREAK DYNO 10-12% lower number than Dynojet.

Mustang Dynamometer is the most accurate and reliable dyno because it provides real-world loading and precise control.

Now for bragging rights Dynojet is THE MOST POPULAR DYNO IN THE US. This is why we stared with Mustang. I’m sure a Dynojet run will be up soon but for now we try to have this up for u all to see.

Eventually we will run on a Dynojet as well with higher number and for the cherry on top, Dynojet is still lower numbers than the flywheel 15-18%

they had 2 air fans on the front of the car, and it was cold and raining outside. I hope next week we can also do the dynojet as well.
after that, we have to get back to work and have full aero for this car.
the plan is to have it ready for bimmerfest may 26th 27th here in LA.

please dm me if any one needs any more info.
thank you cannan
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Was first service performed on vehicle ?
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Was first service performed on vehicle ?
I remember I drive the 1500km in a weekend on my m4 to get my first service right away lol
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Seems pretty low when the E63s is making 575 to 585 HP at the wheels
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First dyno for our 2018 BMW F90 M5

We chose an unbiased company to the BMW community specializing in all wheel drive vehicles.

EVASIVE Motorsports in Santa Fe Springs Ca, uses the “Heartbreak” Mustang dyno which reads “real load” conditions as we figure the more popular Dynojet will be posted and want to give the enthusiast the most realist “upfront” information just like our Carbon Fiber products.

We did 6 pulls 3 with AWD and 3 with RWD, we will post dyno jets at later.

close up video's are in the work, well post more later, this is just from my phone.
Great info! Normally the "heartbreaker" is a Dyno Dynamics dyno - but Mustang dyno's do read about 6-8%ish lower than Dynojets on average in my experience. Of course all of this can be configured to read whatever you want. Do you know the correction factor used?

That said - for a Mustang dyno - these are fairly strong numbers. I will guess these cars are around 540-550ish whp on the Mustang dyno and 575-600 WHP on the Dynojet for the MPH they are producing.

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      03-22-2018, 09:56 PM   #6
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Mustang Dyno vs. dynojet vs crank is all very misleading, not to mention equipment variation. We need standardized numbers and testing amongst competitors for meaningful comparison. Having said that, all that matters is actual performance.
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Unless first service was performed on the f90 full power is not unlocked on the engine. It is different from previous generations in this regard and even tells you about it till its performed right on idrive and cluster.

Additionally if you inspect the coding you will see that initial speed cap is 155 for first 10 hours of engine operation.

If you have m drivers package like on my car, the coding then changes top speed to 205 despite bmw saying its 190.

Long and short of it is this dyno is not relevant unless first service was completed on the vehicle.
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Unless first service was performed on the f90 full power is not unlocked on the engine. It is different from previous generations in this regard and even tells you about it till its performed right on idrive and cluster.

Additionally if you inspect the coding you will see that initial speed cap is 155 for first 10 hours of engine operation.

If you have m drivers package like on my car, the coding then changes top speed to 205 despite bmw saying its 190.

Long and short of it is this dyno is not relevant unless first service was completed on the vehicle.
Where does it tell you this???
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Unless first service was performed on the f90 full power is not unlocked on the engine. It is different from previous generations in this regard and even tells you about it till its performed right on idrive and cluster.

Additionally if you inspect the coding you will see that initial speed cap is 155 for first 10 hours of engine operation.

If you have m drivers package like on my car, the coding then changes top speed to 205 despite bmw saying its 190.

Long and short of it is this dyno is not relevant unless first service was completed on the vehicle.
I cannot say this is or isn't so - I'm sure BMW could do it. I can say GM said the same thing about the Corvette C7Z (which even had the different Tach colours - to encourage lower shift rpm -before the break in point) - but it was found that the power was not in fact limited.

It will be interesting to see if it is true and how limited it actually is. The fact a "low reading" Mustang dyno showed a 509 whp result - with AWD drivetrain loss of 15% is 598 HP. That is without the likely low read of 6-8% which could place actual WHP at 549.47 and crank HP in the 646 HP range. If that is "before break in" numbers - I am even happier with my purchase lol.

EDIT: I just noticed I read the dyno sheet wrong - and likely because I would expect the WHP to be higher than the WTQ as the crank stock numbers are 600/553. At 471 - that is in fact low. Maybe there is something to the break in limited tune.

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Where does it tell you this???
Which part ? Itís all in the coding. As far as car telling you it hasnít been serviced and in break in stage itís the yellow icon of car on dash and under vehicle messages as a yellow warning message.
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I cannot say this is or isn't so - I'm sure BMW could do it. I can say GM said the same thing about the Corvette C7Z (which even had the different Tach colours - to encourage lower shift rpm -before the break in point) - but it was found that the power was not in fact limited.

It will be interesting to see if it is true and how limited it actually is. The fact a "low reading" Mustang dyno showed a 509 whp result - with AWD drivetrain loss of 15% is 598 HP. That is without the likely low read of 6-8% which could place actual WHP at 549.47 and crank HP in the 646 HP range. If that is "before break in" numbers - I am even happier with my purchase lol.


I can tell you from what Iíve seen in the coding it is for sure there. How much it limits power by I donít know. But it is limited.
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I cannot say this is or isn't so - I'm sure BMW could do it. I can say GM said the same thing about the Corvette C7Z (which even had the different Tach colours - to encourage lower shift rpm -before the break in point) - but it was found that the power was not in fact limited.

It will be interesting to see if it is true and how limited it actually is. The fact a "low reading" Mustang dyno showed a 509 whp result - with AWD drivetrain loss of 15% is 598 HP. That is without the likely low read of 6-8% which could place actual WHP at 549.47 and crank HP in the 646 HP range. If that is "before break in" numbers - I am even happier with my purchase lol.


I can tell you from what I’ve seen in the coding it is for sure there. How much it limits power by I don’t know. But it is limited.
What coding? You are not being specific.
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      03-22-2018, 11:31 PM   #13
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470rwhp is a tad lower than I expected on a Mustang Dyno.
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What coding? You are not being specific.

What do you mean by what coding ? You want me to send you the cfd files off my car ?
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Heartbreaker dyno aside - a 470 WHP car does not produce a 10 sec 1/4 mile stock so something is off here.
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What coding? You are not being specific.

What do you mean by what coding ? You want me to send you the cfd files off my car ?
I mean how can you look at the "coding" and tell that BMW is limiting the car during break-in?

How do you know by looking at the "coding", as you keep stating?
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470rwhp is a tad lower than I expected on a Mustang Dyno.
As I said - I just noticed this as well. My brain expecting a higher WHP to WTQ number read them that way (as the crank number are apparently 600/553).

The fact the WTQ number are higher than WHP - and the fact they are quite low - makes me think there is something to the limiting tune. Each run has WTQ higher than WHP.

That said - the 509 WTQ is a nice number for crank torque - especially being a "low" reading Mustang dyno.
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I mean how can you look at the "coding" and tell that BMW is limiting the car during break-in?

How do you know by looking at the "coding", as you keep stating?
1. Because there is a speed limit till 10 hours of running time
2. The car stores a specific set of flags for first service and engineers went thru enough programming to specifically track and identify this for idrive etc.

These types of efforts would not make sense if more things were not limited / detuned besides just top speed and 10 hour engine running time
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Seems pretty low when the E63s is making 575 to 585 HP at the wheels
Exactly. As stated - something is off just for the fact WHP is reading lower than WTQ. Trap speeds of 127-129 MPH are not coming from a 470ish WHP car at 4300+ lbs.
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20% drivetrain lost on awd and 15% on rwd normally ?
on mustand dyno, could be up to 30% on awd.

if you want to compare number with e63s 2018 on mustand dyno ...

https://grfilms.net/v-i-dyno%E2%80%9...n_h3Jn8z0.html
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Seems pretty low when the E63s is making 575 to 585 HP at the wheels
Exactly. As stated - something is off just for the fact WHP is reading lower than WTQ. Trap speeds of 127-129 MPH are not coming from a 470ish WHP car at 4300+ lbs.
Exactly. You need closer to 700 crank to pull those numbers.
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20% drivetrain lost on awd and 15% on rwd normally ?
Newer cars - 15% AWD, 10-12% RWD.
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