[BimmerTheGreek]

All reports about the next X3M40i keep mentioning that its engine will based on the B58. The current X4M40i shares its engine with the current M2 which is N55 based.
Since the X4 is mostly a "coupe" version of the X3, one could easily assume that the this new B58 based engine will make into to the next X4M40i. Since the X4M40i and M2 are engine "kissing cousins", could this possibly be shared with the LCI M2?

http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/04/07/20...formance-data/

Not looking to be flamed, just wondering.
Thoughts?

[stefan]

Originally Posted by BimmerTheGreek

All reports about the next X3M40i keep mentioning that its engine will based on the B58. The current X4M40i shares its engine with the current M2 which is N55 based.
Since the X4 is mostly a "coupe" version of the X3, one could easily assume that the this new B58 based engine will make into to the next X4M40i. Since the X4M40i and M2 are engine "kissing cousins", could this possibly be shared with the LCI M2?

http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/04/07/20...formance-data/

Not looking to be flamed, just wondering.
Thoughts?

I believe it is very well accepted that the next MY retains then N55. I should add that I think your question is perfectly valid, since we are all just basing what we know on rumors and traditional M production schedules. It isn't impossible that the 2018 gets the B58 but it seems improbable.

[VR-Tech]

Originally Posted by stefan

I believe it is very well accepted that the next MY retains then N55. I should add that I think your question is perfectly valid, since we are all just basing what we know on rumors and traditional M production schedules. It isn't impossible that the 2018 gets the B58 but it seems improbable.

How so?

[Benef1cient]

Originally Posted by VR-Tech

How so?

There is only speculation, but everybody is sure enough that M2 CS gets S55. I for one would see CS as perfect opportunity to switch from N55 to B58 with 400 Hp and then year after to S55 in something like M2 GTS but as far as it stands here and in German forum the S55 is in CS and GTS (see Artemis post in CS thread).

[VR-Tech]

If the 2018 model gets the b58, then maybe i should sell my '17 M2 and get that one.

[doug_999]

Guys/Gals
A touch of searching will tell you that most people believe (with lots of proof) that the 2018 M2 will have the N55 engine.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by doug_999

Guys/Gals
A touch of searching will tell you that most people believe (with lots of proof) that the 2018 M2 will have the N55 engine.

No proof just rumor and some people squinting at rad mounts through camo. I think it probably will be the N55 but there is no proof yet.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by stefan

No proof just rumor and some people squinting at rad mounts through camo. I think it probably will be the N55 but there is no proof yet.

This guy is rarely wrong...
http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=901686

[stefan]

Originally Posted by doug_999

This guy is rarely wrong...
http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=901686

I agree, but I still see no confirmation of what motor is in the 2018MY other than what we know about the M2 CS. Am I missing something?

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by stefan

I agree, but I still see no confirmation of what motor is in the 2018MY other than what we know about the M2 CS. Am I missing something?

"F22/F23/F87 LCI is indeed next year for MY 2018 (calendar year 2017). Don't expect major changes, this looks to be a very mild refresh."

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by stefan

I agree, but I still see no confirmation of what motor is in the 2018MY other than what we know about the M2 CS. Am I missing something?

Just all of the various posts that I'm sure you are well aware of and about as sick of as I am.

And yes, until the 2018 arrives or there is some major announcement, people will continue to start threads like this one even though as we all know, there are tons of other threads, most with really good info in them that shows the engine is not changing.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by doug_999

Just all of the various posts that I'm sure you are well aware of and about as sick of as I am.

And yes, until the 2018 arrives or there is some major announcement, people will continue to start threads like this one even though as we all know, there are tons of other threads, most with really good info in them that shows the engine is not changing.

People keep telling me there are lots of threads, but I have yet to see confirmation. Don't get me wrong I doubt we will see a motor change at all in the current M2 model, that would be very unlike M assuming the S55 will be in the competition/CS.

However everyone says there's tons of evidence, links one post,with a suggestion that changes will be minor to the F87. I'm just saying the flaming of people asking this question is totally unwarranted given the total lack of concrete information.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by stefan

People keep telling me there are lots of threads, but I have yet to see confirmation. Don't get me wrong I doubt we will see a motor change at all in the current M2 model, that would be very unlike M assuming the S55 will be in the competition/CS.

However everyone says there's tons of evidence, links one post,with a suggestion that changes will be minor to the F87. I'm just saying the flaming of people asking this question is totally unwarranted given the total lack of concrete information.

Wait, why do you even expect concrete information? How can you expect concrete information? If there was concrete information available, why wouldn't that been in the press?

[stefan]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Wait, why do you even expect concrete information? How can you expect concrete information? If there was concrete information available, why wouldn't that been in the press?

My point exactly. No point in telling OP "tons of information available that says it will be N55" when really we have history matching and rumor to go on.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by stefan

My point exactly. No point in telling OP "tons of information available that says it will be N55" when really we have history matching and rumor to go on.

These were the threads I'm referring to.

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=901686
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1329532
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1344611

[stefan]

Originally Posted by doug_999

and here I thought you were not new to the board. My mistake newbie...

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=901686
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1329532
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1344611


Too many threads to read through again - but you can enjoy reading as well as the OP.

First off; I agree N55.

However, I want to point out you're being a bit dramatic here. Your first post is the only real rumor we have. And again, just says "mild refresh" which everyone extrapolates to mean; no motor change. Your second link is about the M2 CS, not the M2. And again, it just links the same "mild refresh" quote. to address the regular M2 model. The third link, again, is exactly the same thing. Another question from a user with an eventual link back to, you guessed it, the one original post from ynguldyn.

So.. there's no need to indignantly stomp your feet. There aren't "too many threads" of information. There are a lot of people asking questions and basically people like you simply reiterating one sentence from one post.

The real answer for OP, who felt the need to ask people like you not to flame him, along with everyone else asking this question, is simply:

1. we have ONE rumor from a relatively reliable source, suggesting changes to 2018 will be, quote, "mild", make of that what you will. This god tier post is here
2. we have reasonable video evidence and rumors that the M2 CS will be powered by an S55. That video is here
3. in all likelihood, and based on history, the 2018 M2 will be powered by an N55 but this is guesswork based on what BMW has done in the past and where the M2 is in its lifecycle. Reinforcment of this sentiment is echoed here in this BMWblog post, stating "BMW rarely upgrades the engine inside M cars once the LCI is launched".

And that's about it, unless I'm missing something. No confirmation, nothing set in stone. B58 is possible but improbable. N55 is definitely most likely what we will see, quite possibly right till EOL on the F87.

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by stefan

First off; I agree N55.

However, I want to point out you're being a bit dramatic here. Your first post is the only real rumor we have. And again, just says "mild refresh" which everyone extrapolates to mean; no motor change. Your second link is about the M2 CS, not the M2. And again, it just links the same "mild refresh" quote. to address the regular M2 model. The third link, again, is exactly the same thing. Another question from a user with an eventual link back to, you guessed it, the one original post from ynguldyn.

So.. there's no need to indignantly stomp your feet. There aren't "too many threads" of information. There are a lot of people asking questions and basically people like you simply reiterating one sentence from one post.

The real answer for OP, who felt the need to ask people like you not to flame him, along with everyone else asking this question, is simply:

1. we have ONE rumor from a relatively reliable source, suggesting changes to 2018 will be, quote, "mild", make of that what you will. This god tier post is here
2. we have reasonable video evidence and rumors that the M2 CS will be powered by an S55. That video is here
3. in all likelihood, and based on history, the 2018 M2 will be powered by an N55 but this is guesswork based on what BMW has done in the past and where the M2 is in its lifecycle. Reinforcment of this sentiment is echoed here in this BMWblog post, stating "BMW rarely upgrades the engine inside M cars once the LCI is launched".

And that's about it, unless I'm missing something. No confirmation, nothing set in stone. B58 is possible but improbable. N55 is definitely most likely what we will see, quite possibly right till EOL on the F87.

Historically, there have been cases of engine swaps over LCI's.

Old M3 (Basically what the M2 was built to imitate) had one.

I really hope it's not going to happen but can see good reasons for the change.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by lop00

Historically, there have been cases of engine swaps over LCI's.

Old M3 (Basically what the M2 was built to imitate) had one.

I really hope it's not going to happen but can see good reasons for the change.

S50B30->B32 in the Euro E36 was one example, and S50->S54 in the Z3M is the only other example I can think of. Therefore, in all of M's history, a pretty rare event.

[stren]

X3M40i is not the real M version of the X3 though right? BMW are going with the philosophy that every model that has an upgraded engine and a Msports package gets an M before it

M235i
M240i
M550i
etc etc

This is the equivalent of Audi's S Line. But the real m cars have the M before for sedans and M after for suvs which is the equivalent of Audi's RS line. Audi's nomenclature makes more sense, but BMW want to milk that ///Marketing.

The X3M is rumored to get the S55. The X3M40i based on this philosophy would get the current 6 cylinder engine which is the B58.

The M2 and X4M40i are cars that didn't particularly follow the mold, but I don't think the B58 was ready in time for the X4M40i and we all know that the it's unusual that the M2 didn't get a customized engine. It's possible that with the X3M we may also see an X4M but at this point I doubt it.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by stefan

No proof just rumor and some people squinting at rad mounts through camo. I think it probably will be the N55 but there is no proof yet.

Well then kudos to BMW and BMW M to manage to stay under the radar.

At least two types of M2 test mules have been spotted lapping the Nürburgring in September 2016 and March 2017:

• with sound suggesting an N55 engine: here and here;
• with sound suggesting an S55 engine: here, here, here, here, here and maybe here too (though unclear).

This begs the question why BMW keeps testing the N55. Back-to-back comparison N55 (M2 and M2 LCI) versus S55 (M2 CS) ?

Last week an interesting screen shot surfaced at the German 2erTalk forum (see here). Peculiar is the fact that the F22 LCI (2er) and F23 LCI (2er convertible) (July 2017) are mentioned, as well as the F87 CS (M2 CS) (March 2018), but no F87 LCI.

Originally Posted by stefan

total lack of concrete information.

At the German 2erTalk forum there is the running gag that "new information" is usually obtained through the fictional uncle or grandmother of the neighbor whose mother is allegedly befriended to the brother of the equally fictional "cleaning lady from the ARAL fuel station near the BMW M HQ" ("die Putzfrau von der ARAL-Tankstelle in Garching"). German humor.

Keep cool, if BMW sticks to its habits, it will officially disclose LCI information about the 2er LCI this Spring (July 2017 production). Let's wait and see whether or not that press release includes M2 LCI info too.

[Tag]

As an audiophile I find it hard to discern the sound of an N55 with a B58. The B58 sounds roughly the same, albeit not as loud, but that could be due to the exhaust setup and not the engine itself. The S55 has a distinct tone compared to the other engines. The only information available right now is a reliable source that's been quoted several times in this thread divulged it will still carry the N55. Unless there’s a leak we’re stuck waiting on the official word from BMW. If I were to bet on it I’d go with the N55.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by stefan

First off; I agree N55.

However, I want to point out you're being a bit dramatic here. Your first post is the only real rumor we have. And again, just says "mild refresh" which everyone extrapolates to mean; no motor change. Your second link is about the M2 CS, not the M2. And again, it just links the same "mild refresh" quote. to address the regular M2 model. The third link, again, is exactly the same thing. Another question from a user with an eventual link back to, you guessed it, the one original post from ynguldyn.

So.. there's no need to indignantly stomp your feet. There aren't "too many threads" of information. There are a lot of people asking questions and basically people like you simply reiterating one sentence from one post.

The real answer for OP, who felt the need to ask people like you not to flame him, along with everyone else asking this question, is simply:

1. we have ONE rumor from a relatively reliable source, suggesting changes to 2018 will be, quote, "mild", make of that what you will. This god tier post is here
2. we have reasonable video evidence and rumors that the M2 CS will be powered by an S55. That video is here
3. in all likelihood, and based on history, the 2018 M2 will be powered by an N55 but this is guesswork based on what BMW has done in the past and where the M2 is in its lifecycle. Reinforcment of this sentiment is echoed here in this BMWblog post, stating "BMW rarely upgrades the engine inside M cars once the LCI is launched".

And that's about it, unless I'm missing something. No confirmation, nothing set in stone. B58 is possible but improbable. N55 is definitely most likely what we will see, quite possibly right till EOL on the F87.

Agree 100% - especially with this
"So.. there's no need to indignantly stomp your feet. There aren't "too many threads" of information. There are a lot of people asking questions and basically people like you simply reiterating one sentence from one post."

Sorry about that. Was immature. Adjusting my original post now -but my embarrassing comments can live on with your post (meaning, I'm ok with that as a lesson to others).