[BimmerGuyFL78]

True F10 weight vs True G30 weight.

Now that Car and Driver has done a full test of the new 540i in a comparison test, I went back and compared the weight of these cars since they're an apples to apples comparison.

2011 535i rear wheel drive with the dynamic handling package and 19" staggered rims/tires weighed: 4,090 lbs

2017 540i rear wheel drive with the dynamic handling package and 19" staggered rims/tires weighed:
4,071 lbs

Which means the new version of the same car weighs only 19 lbs less.

What happened to all of BMW's claims on weight reduction of over 100 lbs

This made me start to think of how truly of an ALL NEW platform does the G30 have over the F10? Both cars dimensions are almost identical. 0.2 inch difference in wheelbase is negligible. The difference in length can be attributed to bumper designs.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by Alpine535Msport

True F10 weight vs True G30 weight.

Now that Car and Driver has done a full test of the new 540i in a comparison test, I went back and compared the weight of these cars since they're an apples to apples comparison.

2011 535i rear wheel drive with the dynamic handling package and 19" staggered rims/tires weighed: 4,090 lbs

2017 540i rear wheel drive with the dynamic handling package and 19" staggered rims/tires weighed:
4,071 lbs

Which means the new version of the same car weighs only 19 lbs less.

What happened to all of BMW's claims on weight reduction of over 100 lbs

This made me start to think of how truly of an ALL NEW platform does the G30 have over the F10? Both cars dimensions are almost identical. 0.2 inch difference in wheelbase is negligible. The difference in length can be attributed to bumper designs.

It still lost weight, take a note of all the options on the 540i, if you did a base 540i sans all the extra stuff I bet the weight would be less. All the self driving add on and what not upgrades add weight back into the net weight loss.

I would say go drive one back to back with the last gen, the differences are noticeable.

[BimmerGuyFL78]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

It still lost weight, take a note of all the options on the 540i, if you did a base 540i sans all the extra stuff I bet the weight would be less. All the self driving add on and what not upgrades add weight back into the net weight loss.

I would say go drive one back to back with the last gen, the differences are noticeable.

Both cars were pretty much fully loaded from both tests. Pulled from the same source. It should have a MUCH larger gap in weight reduction than just 19 lbs.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by Alpine535Msport

What happened to all of BMW's claims on weight reduction of over 100 lbs

This made me start to think of how truly of an ALL NEW platform does the G30 have over the F10? Both cars dimensions are almost identical. 0.2 inch difference in wheelbase is negligible. The difference in length can be attributed to bumper designs.

Depends on the model, media releases I have say, "up to 100kg".

Something like the UK 520d & 530d standard specification seem to be showing about 80kg weight saving, under the EU unladen weight standard.

[Bostongio]

Yeah, I've noticed and have been annoyed by this as well. What's the point of developing an "all new" car if it weighs in at pretty much the same weight as the old version? (Seriously, 20 lbs is nothing to write home about -- it's a rounding error on a 2 ton vehicle.)

Even 100 lbs wasn't what was needed in terms of producing something approaching the "Ultimate Driving Machine."

[BimmerGuyFL78]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Depends on the model, media releases I have say, "up to 100kg".

Something like the UK 520d & 530d standard specification seem to be showing about 80kg weight saving, under the EU unladen weight standard.

I am talking about previous model to new model, Same packaging such as 3.0 liter inline-6, Dynamic Handling package, Same tire/rim setup and size, and both being Rear Wheel Drive.

F10 vs G30 built same way there's hardly any weight difference.

[visualguy]

Correct, I noticed it too - there isn't much difference in weight between the F10 and the G30. In general, they are very similar cars...

By the way, if you go from a 550i RWD to the M550ix, you get a heavier car with a worse weight balance (because of the x-drive), and there's no M550i RWD.

[ZigmundUK]

Originally Posted by Bostongio

Yeah, I've noticed and have been annoyed by this as well. What's the point of developing an "all new" car if it weighs in at pretty much the same weight as the old version? (Seriously, 20 lbs is nothing to write home about -- it's a rounding error on a 2 ton vehicle.)

Even 100 lbs wasn't what was needed in terms of producing something approaching the "Ultimate Driving Machine."

Is the point of the car just the weight loss?

It's gotten slightly bigger but slightly lighter. It's just words on a page. What matters is how it feels right?

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by Alpine535Msport

I am talking about previous model to new model, Same packaging such as 3.0 liter inline-6, Dynamic Handling package, Same tire/rim setup and size, and both being Rear Wheel Drive.

F10 vs G30 built same way there's hardly any weight difference.

I'd also comparing F10 to G30 for the 520d & 530d listed weight savings.

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Depends on the model, media releases I have say, "up to 100kg".

Something like the UK 520d & 530d standard specification seem to be showing about 80kg weight saving, under the EU unladen weight standard.

Even the G30 540i in UK xDrive M-Sport specification is listed as 40kg lighter, compared to the F10 535i RWD model. Standard specification (unladen EU) is showing F10 535i vs. G30 540i, shaving off 105kg.

Something is not adding up, if you guys are saying there is little in the weight saving, "like for like".

[BiGFather]

For me it's interresting and cool that BMW 540i xDrive has -35kg than 440i xDrive.. I like it But I also hope there are not some material savings on the most important car parts.

[ZigmundUK]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

I'd also comparing F10 to G30 for the 520d & 530d listed weight savings.

Even the G30 540i in UK xDrive M-Sport specification is listed as 40kg lighter, compared to the F10 535i RWD model. Standard specification (unladen EU) is showing F10 535i vs. G30 540i, shaving off 105kg.

Something is not adding up, if you guys are saying there is little in the weight saving, "like for like".

Maybe the packages weigh more?

[Bostongio]

If this were a simple mid cycle refresh or something, we could forgive BMW for the negligible difference in weight. But this was supposedly a brand new build, completely different than the F10. I'm not seeing or feeling it.

Weight is the enemy of dynamic handling and sportiness. No amount of electronics can make up for plain physics.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by Bostongio

If this were a simple mid cycle refresh or something, we could forgive BMW for the negligible difference in weight. But this was supposedly a brand new build, completely different than the F10. I'm not seeing or feeling it.

Some of the models have substantial weight saving.

Take the standard specification for the UK F10 530d @ 1795 kg; G30 530d @ 1715kg. A saving of 80 kgs, (176 lbs), that is not a negligible difference.

[ZigmundUK]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Some of the models have substantial weight saving.

Take the standard specification for the UK F10 530d @ 1795 kg; G30 530d @ 1715kg. A saving of 80 kgs, (176 lbs), that is not a negligible difference.

I guess the Americans care more for the petrols...

It's like any sale in any shop. 'Up to 70% discount' means one or two things at that price but the rest nowhere near.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by ZigmundUK

I guess the Americans care more for the petrols...

It's like any sale in any shop. 'Up to 70% discount' means one or two things at that price but the rest nowhere near.

I agree, savings are not the same across the whole range.

What I don't follow, what is being said doesn't align with BMW EU figures.

The F10 535i is rated as unladen EU, at 1775 kgs and the G30 540i is 1670 kgs. That is 105 kgs shaved off the standard vehicle weight, for the comparable model.

We know extras are changing the scales, but if the claim is "the same options/packages", why isn't the saving showing up. There is over 230 lbs to play with, according to the official EU rating.

[ZigmundUK]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

I agree, savings are not the same across the whole range.

What I don't follow, what is being said doesn't align with BMW EU figures.

The F10 535i is rated as unladen EU, at 1775 kgs and the G30 540i is 1670 kgs. That is 105 kgs shaved off the standard vehicle weight, for the comparable model.

We know extras are changing the scales, but if the claim is "the same options/packages", why isn't the saving showing up. There is over 230 lbs to play with, according to the official EU rating.

Pete I can only assume the packages are now heavier. We know Bmw change what are in the packages by region and by time so maybe what's in there for whoever has done the calculation is just heavier now by like 100kg..?

[MMY]

Originally Posted by ZigmundUK

Pete I can only assume the packages are now heavier. We know Bmw change what are in the packages by region and by time so maybe what's in there for whoever has done the calculation is just heavier now by like 100kg..?

It's hard to imagine a few sensors, circuit boards or cameras (which would account for a lot of the optional extras on a standard car) adding up to a 100kg or so.... I grant that extra motors for things like power boots, fully electric seats will weigh more

[ZigmundUK]

Originally Posted by MMY

It's hard to imagine a few sensors, circuit boards or cameras (which would account for a lot of the optional extras on a standard car) adding up to a 100kg or so.... I grant that extra motors for things like power boots, fully electric seats will weigh more

Agreed but the only other explanation is that the weight data is wrong for the base models or the package models.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by ZigmundUK

Agreed but the only other explanation is that the weight data is wrong for the base models or the package models.

Similar conclusions myself. What data source is correct? BMW or a car magazine? Or are both wrong?

[ZigmundUK]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Similar conclusions myself. What data source is correct? BMW or a car magazine? Or are both wrong?

Maybe they sandbagged the 540 and that's why it handled like it did.

[STR8-6IX]

Originally Posted by Alpine535Msport

True F10 weight vs True G30 weight.

Now that Car and Driver has done a full test of the new 540i in a comparison test, I went back and compared the weight of these cars since they're an apples to apples comparison.

2011 535i rear wheel drive with the dynamic handling package and 19" staggered rims/tires weighed: 4,090 lbs

2017 540i rear wheel drive with the dynamic handling package and 19" staggered rims/tires weighed:
4,071 lbs

Which means the new version of the same car weighs only 19 lbs less.

What happened to all of BMW's claims on weight reduction of over 100 lbs

This made me start to think of how truly of an ALL NEW platform does the G30 have over the F10? Both cars dimensions are almost identical. 0.2 inch difference in wheelbase is negligible. The difference in length can be attributed to bumper designs.

Originally Posted by Bostongio

Yeah, I've noticed and have been annoyed by this as well. What's the point of developing an "all new" car if it weighs in at pretty much the same weight as the old version? (Seriously, 20 lbs is nothing to write home about -- it's a rounding error on a 2 ton vehicle.)

Even 100 lbs wasn't what was needed in terms of producing something approaching the "Ultimate Driving Machine."

do you guys seriously think companies start from scratch with each new model in their lineup? its called an evolution for a reason...