[Phatcat]

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Well, if this is true, guess the all new F90 M5 will have too much torque to continue using Getrag DCT, will use ZF's automatic instead.....

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...ur-wheel-drive

March 10, 2017

The BMW M5 will turn 32 years of rear-wheel-drive performance car tradition on its head this year with the introduction of the brand's first four-wheel-drive on the model.

The German super-saloon is set to run a reworked version of the outgoing fifth-generation model’s twin-turbocharged V8 petrol engine, producing upwards of 592bhp [600hp], along with a standard eight-speed automatic gearbox.

The four-wheel-drive model is described by senior BMW officials as not only the most powerful and fastest accelerating but also the most dynamically capable and technically advanced M5 yet.

BMW senior vice-president Hildegard Wortmann told Autocar last month that the model will be as significant as the latest 7 Series in defining the next generation of performance models.

Wortmann explained that in the same way that the 7 Series has set the agenda for upcoming driverless technology, the new M5 will represent the next generation of M-branded cars.

“You will see in this car where we will take the [M] brand from here,” she said. “I’ve driven it on track and it’s really special. The engineers have done an excellent job. It’s outrageous.”

Following an illustrious line of rear-wheel-drive-only predecessors, the new M5 is scheduled to make its world debut at the Frankfurt motor show in September before going on sale in the UK at a price expected to eclipse the £73,985 of the outgoing M5.

The newest member of M division’s line-up will challenge the recently introduced 603bhp twin-turbocharged 4.0-litre V8-powered Mercedes-AMG E63 S 4Matic and the successor to today’s 560bhp twin-turbocharged 4.0-litre V8-powered Audi RS6, which is planned for introduction next year.

The starting point for the sixth-generation M5 is the latest 5 Series, which is codenamed G30. The new M5 will feature a re-engineered body structure with a number of weight-saving initiatives, including greater use of aluminium and hot-formed high-strength steel as well as carbonfibre for the roof and bootlid. The new M5 is claimed to weigh close to the 1870kg of its predecessor despite a moderate increase in its exterior dimensions and the inclusion of the four-wheel drive hardware.

The new body structure was leaked on the internet in a series of CAD/CAM images late last year. It’s claimed to provide the new M5 with vastly improved torsional rigidity and the basis for a significant change in chassis tuning compared with the outgoing M5, which was introduced to the UK in 2011.

Visually, the new car is set apart from other current 5 Series models by extensively restyled bumpers, an altered kidney grille design, wider front wings with chromed vent elements behind the front wheel arches to extract hot air from the engine bay, M-specific mirror housings, wider sills, a prominent rear diffuser element and signature quad chromed tailpipes.

Dimensionally, the M5 has grown. Length is up by 36mm to 4935mm and the car is now around 8mm wider, at 1870mm. The wheelbase is also 7mm longer than that of its predecessor, at 2975mm. In combination with front and rear tracks that extend beyond the 1625mm and 1580mm of today’s model, this provides the M5 with a larger footprint than at any time since its introduction in 1981.

Power for the new M5 comes from a heavily reworked version of today’s twin-turbo 4.4-litre V8 petrol engine, which carries the S63 designation. It features a modified induction process with changes to the intercooler and new twin-scroll turbochargers for improved combustion and thermal properties.

The 90deg V8 is said to deliver greater power and torque than the limited-volume M5 Competition Package model launched as a swansong for the old M5 last year. With 592bhp and 516lb ft of torque, that model has the distinction of being most powerful M5 yet.

For context, the most powerful variant of the latest 5 Series, the new M550i xDrive, runs a milder version of the twin-turbo V8, developing 456bhp and 480lb ft.

Channelling the new M5’s prodigious reserves to the road is an eight-speed torque-converter automatic gearbox. The replacement for the existing seven-speed dual-clutch automatic unit is based around the standard ZF-produced gearbox used in other 5 Series models. Software will provide up to five driving modes, including an M Dynamic setting, accessed through buttons mounted on the steering wheel.

The new gearbox is allied to a specially developed version of BMW’s xDrive all-wheel drive system, which uses a multiplate wet clutch located in the gearbox on the output to the front driveshaft. It provides a continuously variable split between front and rear axles.

In M Dynamic mode, the four-wheel drive system is programmed to deliver 100% of drive to the rear wheels in a process similar to the drift mode made available on the latest E63 S.

With four-wheel drive providing added traction off the line, the new M5’s 0-62mph time is expected to dip well below that of its rear-wheel-drive predecessor and at least match the 3.5sec of the new E63. That would make it 0.4sec quicker than the now discontinued M5 Competition Package and an 0.8sec improvement on the standad version of the previous M5.

Top speed will again be restricted to 155mph, although an optional M Driver’s Package will enable buyers to raise it to 190mph with new engine management software and the fitment of Z-rated tyres.

Details of the new M5’s chassis set-up remain under wraps. However, engineers involved in its development say it adopts a largely bespoke double wishbone (front) and multi-link (rear) suspension system, together with new electro-mechanical steering that includes the active rearsteer function available on selected 5 Series models.

The new M5 will be built alongside other 5 Series models at BMW’s Dingolfing factory in Germany and production is set to begin shortly before its unveiling in September. As with its predecessor, the new model will be sold in saloon guise only.

Also see: BIMMERPOST rendering of upcoming F90 M5 based on CAD images.

[Wills2]

M goes full RS Audi, trouble is they're better at that than BMW, so I really hope they don't do the ZF8 and a wet clutch xdrive system.

And M car deserves something more tactile/raw than that, hopefully it will still be DCT and they make the AWD system fit the M ethos rather than chase a headline 0-60 time, leave that to Audi.

[Pentium]

so No RWD verion of the next M5?

[infamousq]

600 Hp when the B5 has 608...? M better do better then that. Overall nice car. ???

[bayarea328xit]

"new electro-mechanical steering that includes the active rearsteer function"

[AWSB328iM]

Originally Posted by infamousq

600 Hp when the B5 has 608...? M better do better then that. Overall nice car. ???

I was expecting at least 650hp.

[goj]

Originally Posted by Wills2

M goes full RS Audi, trouble is they're better at that than BMW, so I really hope they don't do the ZF8 and a wet clutch xdrive system.

And M car deserves something more tactile/raw than that, hopefully it will still be DCT and they make the AWD system fit the M ethos rather than chase a headline 0-60 time, leave that to Audi.

You can be tactile and raw with AWD. It's not just about 0-60 times. It's about getting the power down all the time which the current M5 has issues with.

I'm sure this will be an excellent car, especially from an enthusiast perspective.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by Pentium

so No RWD verion of the next M5?

"In M Dynamic mode, the four-wheel drive system is programmed to deliver 100% of drive to the rear wheels in a process similar to the drift mode made available on the latest E63 S."

[Die ///M Rakete]

I'm happy to see BMW moving away from the DCT to the ZF slushbox. If you're going to choose the automatic over the manual you might as well get the real deal

[bclemans]

I think Audi uses ZF too and its RS7 Performance already makes 605hp.

So it is a mere catch up with Audi and Mercedes (both uses 4 wheel drive already).

So no electric and no hybrid yet?

Germany recent law requires cars to be emission free by 2030

The clock is clicking

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-official-says

[Alan l.]

We all know how accurate BMW official HP numbers are compared to what is actually measured on the dyno. Just pointing that out there before everyone starts complaining about it *only* having 600hp.

Alan

[dantm3]

Originally Posted by AWSB328iM

I was expecting at least 650hp.

I think horsepower in a bmw is such a strange meaningless number. The f80 m3 had a very small jump in horsepower, but performance was much better... with a small increase in horsepower but weight saving, and better traction with the new system performance numbers will be improved. A Challenger Hellcat has 707hp.... m5 will be faster with the weight saving and better traction... give me the m5 anyday

[farns2345]

Originally Posted by Wills2

M goes full RS Audi, trouble is they're better at that than BMW, so I really hope they don't do the ZF8 and a wet clutch xdrive system.

And M car deserves something more tactile/raw than that, hopefully it will still be DCT and they make the AWD system fit the M ethos rather than chase a headline 0-60 time, leave that to Audi.

The article says it will be a ZF8 not a DCT. So why are you still hoping it will be a DCT?

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by goj

You can be tactile and raw with AWD. It's not just about 0-60 times. It's about getting the power down all the time which the current M5 has issues with.

I'm sure this will be an excellent car, especially from an enthusiast perspective.

Xdrive is awful that's my point not sporty at all, so hoping for something better than that.

[kydiesel35]

Zf auto is a beast!

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by farns2345

The article says it will be a ZF8 not a DCT. So why are you still hoping it will be a DCT?

Why are you confused? It's a speculative article from Autocar not a statement from M GmbH, hence I hope they stick with DCT not keen on ZF8 in a sporty car.

[RPiM5]

Oh boy, don't even get me started on a rant here. All I will say for now, is that this is of course all hearsay and speculation. Nothing official from BMW here. Would be a damn shame and a real reason why I wouldn't buy the next M5 if it truly has an Automatic Wet Clutch Transmission, just like the Mercedes E63S.

[wdeerfield]

Originally Posted by AWSB328iM

I was expecting at least 650hp.

They are probably saving that for the M5 CS or Comp Pack.

[Mamyf30]

I'm sure it will set the bar high. BMW won't disappoint on this one.

[RichP]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

We all know how accurate BMW official HP numbers are compared to what is actually measured on the dyno. Just pointing that out there before everyone starts complaining about it *only* 600hp.

Alan

My boy speaks the truth...

[PARTS@STBMW]

What?!

[bunker]

"Dimensionally, the M5 has grown. Length is up by 36mm to 4935mm and the car is now around 8mm wider, at 1870mm. The wheelbase is also 7mm longer than that of its predecessor, at 2975mm. In combination with front and rear tracks that extend beyond the 1625mm and 1580mm of today’s model, this provides the M5 with a larger footprint than at any time since its introduction in 1981."

- there's your M7, lads. at least for us older guys.