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      01-02-2017, 02:13 PM   #1
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2017 VTT Update Thread



2016
2016 was a great year for us at VTT. Not only did we release the GC family of fully-cast and modular turbochargers for the N54, but we saw growth in literally every single aspect of all VPG subgroups (VTT, VPP, VHP) by continuing to innovate.

Bragging a little here, VPG was the first on the N54 platform with...

-billet compressor wheels as an option across the entire lineup
-upgraded thrusts as an option across the entire lineup
-N54 OEM rebuilds
-N54 stage 1 turbos
-N54 stage 2 using factory style bearing housings
-Clipped turbine wheels in an N54 application
-9 blade turbine wheels in an N54 application
-19T/20T compressor wheels in an N54 application
-Stock location silicone upgraded inlets
-Silicone hot side charge pipes


Continuing the trend of innovation, in 2016 we…
-Released fully cast and modular high flowing twin turbo upgrades (our best dyno was 785 whp!)
-Developed and released a 750+ whp capable DI only fuel system and controller


Performance wise? In 2016 we...
-made 777 whp DI only (GC's, double barrel shotgun and controller)
-trapped 169.9 mph in the 1/2 mile (6MT, full weight)
-ran 11.0 @ 136 mph in the 1/4 I(6MT full weight)
-competed at 4 organized runway events in Oregon, CA, and AZ
-visited the (local) 1/4 mile track more times than we could count
-gave away 2 sets of GC's, multiple inlets, and plenty of VTT swag



2017
2017 is looking to be a promising year for us and we're excited to get rolling on it. Our top secret plan is pretty simple; focus on our strengths, keep innovating, and push the development on the platform far and hard as we can.

On our menu will be:

-continued development and testing of the BB solution for twins
-continued development and testing of GC+ turbochargers
-Pushing the NIZPRO auto transmission as hard as we can and unleashing it at the track
-come on now you don't expect us to tell you everything do you? We have a few more projects going on behind the scenes
-More giveaways
-More articles
-More VPG contests (including challenges!)


All that wonderful news but how does this effect you, right now, today? Price drop. The new normal price for GC's and lites is down, as is the shotgun (single and double barrel). PM me for any info!

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2016 was also a great year... introducing your new Public Relations Department! Keep up the good work
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Must admit you guys are really rocking. I too have enjoyed the new approach to the forums and customer care. Well done.
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Must admit you guys are really rocking. I too have enjoyed the new approach to the forums and customer care. Well done.
Haha, thanks guys, I appreciate the kind words. I can't believe I forgot about that.
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Awesome news...but price didn't drop on shotgun barrels when bundling with turbos? Usually it's 200.00 less
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Have any customers dyno-d their GCS yet?
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Have any customers dyno-d their GCS yet?
Quite a few, yes. Most have set power goals, get there and hold it depending on the rest of the supporting mods/fueling capacity/transmission/etc. Lots of guys in the 650 range with plenty more in the turbo flow wise. Not too many guys have built engines that really want to wring them out (the platform is still young with respect to experience and number of built motors out there), and down low these make enough torque that if you max them bent rods are an (expensive) issue. I think we'll see more of the high horsepower crew this year though. Shoot me an email if you're looking for anything in particular, I'd be glad to help!

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Have any customers dyno-d their GCS yet?
I'm going this Thursday on an e50 tune running 24psi.

I'll update my post with numbers.
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Quite a few, yes. Most have set power goals, get there and hold it depending on the rest of the supporting mods/fueling capacity/transmission/etc. Lots of guys in the 650 range with plenty more in the turbo flow wise. Not too many guys have built engines that really want to wring them out (the platform is still young with respect to experience and number of built motors out there), and down low these make enough torque that if you max them bent rods are an (expensive) issue. I think we'll see more of the high horsepower crew this year though. Shoot me an email if you're looking for anything in particular, I'd be glad to help!

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What sort of torque levels before the rods start having issues?
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What sort of torque levels before the rods start having issues?
It depends on the tune, timing, engine RPM, etc. In general big torque lower in the RPM band is harder on rods... Seems as though if you keep things to 6-650 range for the most part you'll be ok. As the average age of these engines is creeping up and the ability to make power is increasing, it makes sense to use a little discretion with a tune.

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I'm going this Thursday on an e50 tune running 24psi.

I'll update my post with numbers.
Cool! Looking forward to it. I have my guess on what you'll see.
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Have any customers dyno-d their GCS yet?
Quite a few, yes. Most have set power goals, get there and hold it depending on the rest of the supporting mods/fueling capacity/transmission/etc. Lots of guys in the 650 range with plenty more in the turbo flow wise. Not too many guys have built engines that really want to wring them out (the platform is still young with respect to experience and number of built motors out there), and down low these make enough torque that if you max them bent rods are an (expensive) issue. I think we'll see more of the high horsepower crew this year though. Shoot me an email if you're looking for anything in particular, I'd be glad to help!

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I was just curious. I personally have not seen any GC dyno stuff, beside what is put out by you guys.

Do you have any 3rd party/client/customer dyno graphs you could share? 100% e85 / all supporting mods?
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I was just curious. I personally have not seen any GC dyno stuff, beside what is put out by you guys.

Do you have any 3rd party/client/customer dyno graphs you could share? 100% e85 / all supporting mods?
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As soon as I get my turbos back from VTT I will be posting dyno results.
Lining all parts together while I wait for a set of freshly rebuilt VTT stage 2 turbos!
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Cool! Looking forward to it. I have my guess on what you'll see.
I'm an auto xi, take that into account.

I don't have a baseline for this dyno but I'll see if they have any other 335xi autos to use as a somewhat close comparison.

I'm betting I'll see around 550, my ia is not set super aggressive.
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I was just curious. I personally have not seen any GC dyno stuff, beside what is put out by you guys.

Do you have any 3rd party/client/customer dyno graphs you could share? 100% e85 / all supporting mods?
Sure, shoot me an email with exactly what you're looking for and lets start a dialog.

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I was just curious. I personally have not seen any GC dyno stuff, beside what is put out by you guys.

Do you have any 3rd party/client/customer dyno graphs you could share? 100% e85 / all supporting mods?
Sure, shoot me an email with exactly what you're looking for and lets start a dialog.

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I stated what I was looking for.

Just a 3rd party dyno of the GCs with a maximum effort setup (PI, LPFP upgrade, inlets).

I'm not doubting there are sets of them, or happy customers. I just always prefer customer data > company. If there are many of them running around, I was just curious why they are not posting them? That is it. It sounds like they have told you guys, but not bothered to tell us? Maybe?
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He already stated that there won't be many maximum effort setups as these turbos flow more than most cars can handle. I can attest to that, I've had my gcs on for 3k miles, they have been great, I trapped 126 in my xi on an e50 tune. If I try going over 23psi and launch hard, my transmission hates me. The turbos have been the least of my worries.

I'm fbo, with stage 3 lpfp and pi with return so I do fit the category you mentioned. I'll have dynos tomorrow but don't expect it to blow your socks off as I am going to have them very conservative
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He already stated that there won't be many maximum effort setups as these turbos flow more than most cars can handle. I can attest to that, I've had my gcs on for 3k miles, they have been great, I trapped 126 in my xi on an e50 tune. If I try going over 23psi and launch hard, my transmission hates me. The turbos have been the least of my worries.

I'm fbo, with stage 3 lpfp and pi with return so I do fit the category you mentioned. I'll have dynos tomorrow but don't expect it to blow your socks off as I am going to have them very conservative
Good to hear, I did enjoy your build thread

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Nice updates! I am pleased with my GC lites so far. Hopefully I will have dynos in the near future. I have to replace my clutch. I have everything but just need to find the time to do it. I raced a 335i FBO w/ inlets on e50-e60 the other night. My car was on 17-18psi base motiv map on 93. From slow rolls I could not get any traction and got beat. From a higher 3rd gear roll I pulled away pretty hard.
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Nice updates! I am pleased with my GC lites so far. Hopefully I will have dynos in the near future. I have to replace my clutch. I have everything but just need to find the time to do it. I raced a 335i FBO w/ inlets on e50-e60 the other night. My car was on 17-18psi base motiv map on 93. From slow rolls I could not get any traction and got beat. From a higher 3rd gear roll I pulled away pretty hard.
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He already stated that there won't be many maximum effort setups as these turbos flow more than most cars can handle. I can attest to that, I've had my gcs on for 3k miles, they have been great, I trapped 126 in my xi on an e50 tune. If I try going over 23psi and launch hard, my transmission hates me. The turbos have been the least of my worries.

I'm fbo, with stage 3 lpfp and pi with return so I do fit the category you mentioned. I'll have dynos tomorrow but don't expect it to blow your socks off as I am going to have them very conservative
How did it go?
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