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      12-12-2016, 02:59 AM   #1
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According to bimmertoday the M5 will be a 4x2. This means that you can switch between four-wheel drive and rear-wheel drive at the push of a button.

source: http://www.bimmertoday.de/2016/12/12...uf-knopfdruck/

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"The change of the BMW M5 F90 to four-wheel drive is supposed to make the power sedan from Garching even more appealing, but some customers are annoyed by the absence of the rear wheel drive, but there is good news for this clientele, because if our information is correct The new BMW M5 F90 at the push of a button: Depending on the driving mode, the driver can decide whether he wants to distribute the power of the V8-Biturbo to all four wheels or prefer the full power on the rear axle.

We assume that the corresponding mode with pure rear wheel drive can also be stored on one of the steering wheel buttons. If you want to be particularly dynamic, you can activate the driving mode for maximum driving pleasure with two short thumb movements and also enjoy the BMW M5 F90 with rear-wheel drive.

The option of rear-wheel drive at the push of a button is designed to take the wind out of the sails that make the new BMW M5 F90 less exciting than its predecessor due to its standard all-wheel drive. In many situations, however, the four driven wheels will offer advantages, not least in terms of acceleration. On dry asphalt, a maximum of 3.5 seconds will pass before the three-digit speeds are reached. Apart from this, the all-wheel drive naturally offers great traction advantages on slippery ground, which is to open up new customers in the alpine area and the North American Snow Belt.

The power sedan is powered by a further developed V8-Biturbo with a displacement of 4.4 liters, which is expected to press almost 600 hp on the crankshaft at the beginning of the market in 2018. Later variants such as the BMW M5 CS will continue to turn at the power screw and underpin the special wheel of the BMW M5 as a sports car in the business dress.

In order to be able to look even better on stretches with tight corners, the M GmbH has also parted with the weight of the BMW M5 F90. The top model of the new 5 Series G30 not only benefits from all lightweight construction measures of the large series, but also adds additional elements with elements such as the standard carbon roof. On the bottom line, the M5 should bring a few kilograms less than the predecessor despite the more complex drive train with all-wheel drive and more extensive series equipment. It goes without saying that the experts at M GmbH also do a lot of fine work on the chassis and thus also want to improve performance."
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This defeats the purpose entirely. For me, AWD is stupid for a performance car because it ADDS weight. Provided the weight distribution is good and the AWD is rear biased, it won't under steer. A RWD setting just means your car is rwd with a stupid amount of weight added for no reason. I mean honestly...
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I actually think that's a great move. Give the driver the option and make it the most useable daily performance vehicle available
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This defeats the purpose entirely. For me, AWD is stupid for a performance car because it ADDS weight. Provided the weight distribution is good and the AWD is rear biased, it won't under steer. A RWD setting just means your car is rwd with a stupid amount of weight added for no reason. I mean honestly...
I understand what you're saying, I really do. But how many people wish they could take their performance car out in mediocre ->snowy weather instead of keeping them locked away in a garage during the winter (probably not many I know).

But, if all of a sudden you had the ability to feel semi-confident in inclement conditions, you might be convinced to go throw down out there. It allows you to use your badass M5 for a longer period of time anyway, so where's the harm in that?

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This defeats the purpose entirely. For me, AWD is stupid for a performance car because it ADDS weight. Provided the weight distribution is good and the AWD is rear biased, it won't under steer. A RWD setting just means your car is rwd with a stupid amount of weight added for no reason. I mean honestly...
Well, there is a limit hos much power two wheels can handle. M wouldn't go that route If they had a choice. This way you can have a choice, And that's great
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I understand what you're saying, I really do. But how many people wish they could take their performance car out in mediocre ->snowy weather instead of keeping them locked away in a garage during the winter (probably not many I know).

But, if all of a sudden you had the ability to feel semi-confident in inclement conditions, you might be convinced to go throw down out there. It allows you to use your badass M5 for a longer period of time anyway, so where's the harm in that?

Definitely would need snow tires because pretty sure M5's will all ship with performance summer tires.

To the other poster above......

I like this new strategy. AWD is great for faster sprints to 60 or 100. Also will help pull the car much FASTER around the track. Witness the 918's performance on track and know the AWD was instrumental to beat the P1 and LaFerrari all which had MORE horsepower and were lighter! AWD is a big benefit in all aspects. Don't let the small amount of weight fool you as that is a very worthwhile tradeoff unless you prefer to go slower
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This defeats the purpose entirely. For me, AWD is stupid for a performance car because it ADDS weight. Provided the weight distribution is good and the AWD is rear biased, it won't under steer. A RWD setting just means your car is rwd with a stupid amount of weight added for no reason. I mean honestly...
Well, there is a limit hos much power two wheels can handle. M wouldn't go that route If they had a choice. This way you can have a choice, And that's great
No I understand that and adding AWD is fine. But BMW claims this is a compromise for those who want one or the other and it's not. I avoid AWD because I don't like an added 3-400lbs to the car. Driving an AWD car in RWD mode is pointless. You're still carrying the weight.
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This defeats the purpose entirely. For me, AWD is stupid for a performance car because it ADDS weight. Provided the weight distribution is good and the AWD is rear biased, it won't under steer. A RWD setting just means your car is rwd with a stupid amount of weight added for no reason. I mean honestly...
I understand what you're saying, I really do. But how many people wish they could take their performance car out in mediocre ->snowy weather instead of keeping them locked away in a garage during the winter (probably not many I know).

But, if all of a sudden you had the ability to feel semi-confident in inclement conditions, you might be convinced to go throw down out there. It allows you to use your badass M5 for a longer period of time anyway, so where's the harm in that?

There is no harm in an AWD option. I encourage that. But for those who want a lighter more nimble rwd car that's no longer an option. (Yes I understand the M5 was never "light" but adding this weight to just drive it around in rwd anyway is pointless)

Provide two different models one with RWD one with AWD.
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There is no harm in an AWD option. I encourage that. But for those who want a lighter more nimble rwd car that's no longer an option. (Yes I understand the M5 was never "light" but adding this weight to just drive it around in rwd anyway is pointless)

Provide two different models one with RWD one with AWD.
I'd like that, though I don't see the BMW bean counters letting the M division getting away with that unfortunately
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My local stealer told me this months ago. Posted it somewhere on the forums. Makes complete sense with the huge torque at low revs that modern turbo engines produce. I've just read Januaries Car magazine (UK) about the new AMG E63 S which also 4 wheel drive and they loved it. It the same issue, a new mid range 5 series beat the equivalent E series, so looking good for the M5.
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This makes perfect sense and M division alluded to AWD years ago. Hell the SAV M's have always been AWD. Besides today's M cars are making too much low end torque for RWD (ex F8x).
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The people whining about AWD in the new M5 fail to fully grasp that BMW is being left behind due to all of the competition putting down so much more power to the wheels because of AWD. You want BMW to stay RWD but that would mean not being able to fully compete with everything else. If this option to be both AWD and RWD is real, it would mean the best of both worlds and you will have to live with the extra weight.

Get with the program or get left behind.
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No I understand that and adding AWD is fine. But BMW claims this is a compromise for those who want one or the other and it's not. I avoid AWD because I don't like an added 3-400lbs to the car. Driving an AWD car in RWD mode is pointless. You're still carrying the weight.
I don't know how much the AWD system would add on an M5, but the weight difference between a 750i and a 750i xDrive is only 121lb according to BMWUSA.com. While 121lb is more than 0lb, I would consider that a pittance of a penalty considering the performance benefits, not to mention the year round usage. I don't see many people complaining about AWD on the Porsche 918 and 911 models.
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This defeats the purpose entirely. For me, AWD is stupid for a performance car because it ADDS weight. Provided the weight distribution is good and the AWD is rear biased, it won't under steer. A RWD setting just means your car is rwd with a stupid amount of weight added for no reason. I mean honestly...
WTF?
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This defeats the purpose entirely. For me, AWD is stupid for a performance car because it ADDS weight. Provided the weight distribution is good and the AWD is rear biased, it won't under steer. A RWD setting just means your car is rwd with a stupid amount of weight added for no reason. I mean honestly...
I have to disagree, there's plenty of AWD performance cars out there; in this case BMW are already shaving what? 100kg off the base car, and M are potentially giving you the option of tail happy fun-times, but with the ability to switch back to AWD?

Sounds like a winner, already really like the look of the new 5 series, looking forward to seeing what the M5 brings.
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This defeats the purpose entirely. For me, AWD is stupid for a performance car because it ADDS weight. Provided the weight distribution is good and the AWD is rear biased, it won't under steer. A RWD setting just means your car is rwd with a stupid amount of weight added for no reason. I mean honestly...
I think this is a good move for the m5. It does have a lot of power for the rear wheels ... and besides I highly doubt the added weight from this new technology will be a deal breaker for an m5 shopper.
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Honestly, the M5 is not a M-car anyway. Sporty family car, yes. Sports car, no. Too heavy.
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No I understand that and adding AWD is fine. But BMW claims this is a compromise for those who want one or the other and it's not. I avoid AWD because I don't like an added 3-400lbs to the car. Driving an AWD car in RWD mode is pointless. You're still carrying the weight.
Find a good 1985-1988 E28 M5 then.
It's a featherweight at 3,417 lb. Less than an M2.
Because you're not hauling around all those modern luxury goods.

Let's see now. The outgoing F10 M5 weighs about 4,288 lb.
Here's the math: 4,288 - 3,417 = 871 lb.
You'd be saving 871 lb. and probably a lot of cash as well.

Note: The G-generation M5 might weigh less than the F11, but will probably cost more.

Source (for M5 model weights): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M5...2.80.931988.29
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I understand what you're saying, I really do. But how many people wish they could take their performance car out in mediocre ->snowy weather instead of keeping them locked away in a garage during the winter (probably not many I know).

But, if all of a sudden you had the ability to feel semi-confident in inclement conditions, you might be convinced to go throw down out there. It allows you to use your badass M5 for a longer period of time anyway, so where's the harm in that?

Definitely would need snow tires because pretty sure M5's will all ship with performance summer tires.

To the other poster above......

I like this new strategy. AWD is great for faster sprints to 60 or 100. Also will help pull the car much FASTER around the track. Witness the 918's performance on track and know the AWD was instrumental to beat the P1 and LaFerrari all which had MORE horsepower and were lighter! AWD is a big benefit in all aspects. Don't let the small amount of weight fool you as that is a very worthwhile tradeoff unless you prefer to go slower
Could not agree more with comments about Porsche 918 Spyder and its AWD drivetrain being the differentiator.
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Just buy some decent snow tires, it won't add any weight and you guys would be fine in any conditions! Leave M5 RWD as it should be!!
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