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      10-13-2016, 07:32 PM   #1
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Golf GTI Ran 7:49 on Nurburgring

Pretty impressive for a FWD car. Currently holding the fastest FWD car record around the ring. I'm curious how it'll perform against M2 on short tracks.

"So you probably know that Honda with it’s new Civic Type R held the record for fastest FWD car around 1 lap of the ‘ring. Well not anymore. VW just broke that record with a scarcely believable, sub 8-minute, 7:49.21 which bested the Civic’s time by over a second (7:50.63). Pretty close when you consider the lap times are near 8 minutes long.

VW broke it with their new GTI Clubsport S that has 306hp. Normally that much power going to the front wheels would result in torque and understeer the likes of which this world has never seen before. Apparently not the case as VW has figured out the magical recipe and stomped the Civic Type R in what many consider as the biggest test of a car’s mettle.

But here’s where things get really impresive. Most cars that are worth driving fast have lap times from the ‘ring. The holy triumvirate of the Porsche 918, the McLaren P1, and the Ferrari LaFerrari are some of the fastest around the ring, though the two latter won’t release their official times to this day, with the 918 at a confirmed sub 7 minute lap. Further back you have the likes of the GTI and the Civic, but then you look behind those two and you see some insanely impressive and fast cars such as the Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat with a 7:51.51, and the BMW M4 with a 7:52.

Yes, you read that correctly. A FWD VW GTI is officially faster than a Hellcat or an M4 around a track. That is just mind boggling. It also shows just how technologically advanced these cars are becoming as 10-15 years ago a FWD car doing a sub 8 minute lap on the Nurburgring would be completely laughable.

For a comparison, here’s a lap of a more hardcore version of the M4, the M4 GTS with a lap time of 7:27."

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Edit: They will make only 400 of these and unfortunately it won't be available in North America.

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      10-13-2016, 09:32 PM   #2
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Thats impressive. Hellcat time is what ever, but the M4 doesnt seem to be doing well when comparing track times to other cars.
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      10-13-2016, 09:54 PM   #3
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Probably great driving cars. I'll probably buy the clubsport if it comes over. The problem is that Honda dealers want markup and refusing to take my deposit for the type R.
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The fun factor is not the same, these nurburgring lap times are only marekting. But it's impressive, well done VW
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      10-14-2016, 03:33 AM   #5
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It's a limited edition (sold out) without the rear seats and special tyres( not really suitable for daily/rainy use)and brakes and a rollcage(not standard) Still good achievement but a bit apples and oranges imo.

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/05/wat...-s-record.html


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      10-14-2016, 04:11 AM   #6
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I really want to know how much faster an M2 will be around a track with Sport Cup 2s vs PSS.

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I really want to know how much faster an M2 will be around a track with Sport Cup 2s vs PSS.
It will probably beat that Golf on a dry day...

(I edited your post, it's the other way around, Sport Cup 2s are semis)

On the wet it will beat that Golf in the fun department



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      10-14-2016, 04:19 AM   #8
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Prob not to suprising for a limited edition.
There are golfs that whoop me around my local track by nearly 2 seconds. On the other hand they are pretty serious track cars that wouldnt cope with taking out a nice girl to dinner.
M2, s arent the fastest track cars in the world but they do a lot pretty well.
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      10-14-2016, 04:29 AM   #9
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Yep,don't underestimate a well sorted Golf.I would have loved to have known how well the R400 might have done if they hadn't of binned the idea.
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The fun factor is not the same, these nurburgring lap times are only marekting. But it's impressive, well done VW
I'm just basing on the time produce with such little hp and being FWD. It has to be fun to drive
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Can't really compare stock cars even an M to dedicated track cars. Throwing semi slicks makes a big difference, when you add up all the milliseconds for each turn, it adds up for a long course. FWD is definitely not what they use to be. I had an Abarth for a year, and that thing was a lot of fun to drive on the track. These new torque vectoring magic is very impressive when implemented correctly. You will never be doing big drifts in these, but do not underestimate them on a track when they are done correctly. Looking forward to see what the new Type R can do. It'll be interesting to see it in North America... finally.
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Looking forward to see what the new Type R can do. It'll be interesting to see it in North America... finally.
Are you on about the new type R or the new,new type R for '17 ...
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Good for VW, nice job with that GTI. I always loved those hatch's.
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Are you on about the new type R or the new,new type R for '17 ...
The new new one released at Paris



Many would say it's too rice which I totally understand, but I still like it as a 41 year old.
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If it was out in 2003 it would be awesome. Would still get one though.
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The new new one released at Paris



Many would say it's too rice which I totally understand, but I still like it as a 41 year old.
That's the one
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We'll see what an M2 CS/ GTS can do
A standard GTI is not that impressive..
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The new MQB chassis is really good, even the base GTI. Cool to see VW continuing the "Clubsport" spirit, even though we'll probably never see one here.
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Meanwhile... VW beat their own record :

OUTDONE: Golf GTI Clubsport S: Record at Nürburgring Nordschleife - 07:47:19



An "ugly", amazingly fast lap with some astonishing moments (Swedenkreuz, Pflanzgarten etc.) for those familiar with the Ring...

It's just a FWD, yeah, right... I never knew a decent/good RWD driver who woudn't respect a well sorted car like this, especially on the Nordschleife.

Well done VW, love the attitude!
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It's quite amazing the driver can walk with balls that big...
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