[katatonia]

Hi, I'm selling my G37 and looking to pick up my first BMW. It will be my daily and only car. Have my eyes on this right now:

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/c...ationFlag=true

Thoughts? What problems am I likely going to have to deal with if I buy this out of warranty? Anything to look for on the maintenance records?

Also looking at this, but I've heard bad things about n54's so idk:

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/c...ationFlag=true

[city1991]

Originally Posted by katatonia

Hi, I'm selling my G37 and looking to pick up my first BMW. It will be my daily and only car. Have my eyes on this right now:

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/c...ationFlag=true

Thoughts? What problems am I likely going to have to deal with if I buy this out of warranty? Anything to look for on the maintenance records?

Also looking at this, but I've heard bad things about n54's so idk:

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/c...ationFlag=true

N54 motors have way too many issues. Would never own 1 without a warranty.

[NolanGraphics]

Love my 335, not sure I'd have faith in using it as a DD. Especially without warranty. But have a look through the forum here, you'll find the lost of 335i woes. And get a maintenance records.

[Revishaynes335]

The 335 is an extremely fun car and I use mine as a dd but with that being said it will be more expensive than many other cars on the road. If I were you, I would have a trusted mechanic check it out and ask if the turbos and HPFP have been replaced under warranty. If you get those two biggies out of the way you should be fine. Best of Luck my friend

[Herakles]

I have a 2011 e90 msport loaded 16k miles for same price - I'd sell for 28k

[katatonia]

Originally Posted by Herakles

I have a 2011 e90 msport loaded 16k miles for same price - I'd sell for 28k

Prices are a lot different in Canada

[mrfat]

Lots to potentially go wrong. I also believe Canada does not get the extended warranties on the HPFP and turbos.

There's some common issues and they'll run you at least $1k to fix and sometimes that's just for the parts alone.

Wastegates can rattle and eventually stick open thus necessitating turbo replacement. OEMs can be had for around $1500 now and 15 hours of labor to install which around here is $1500. So $3k min if you can't do it yourself.

Injectors have been known to fail. $250 a pop and sometimes you replace them in sets of 3 or even all 6. $1500 just for parts.

HPFP. BMW said it was a $2.5k repair but covered under warranty.

Waterpump. $500 part and 5 hours of labor so another $1k repair.

VANOS but usually you can just clean them with brake spray and be ok.

Window and seat motors seem to crap out. So do door lock and window switches. Can be $100 or more for each part. I've now neglected these items though so I'm not sure what current costs are.

Carbon build up that requires walnut blasting. Indy shops may charge around $500 for the repair.

Oil leaks galore. Oil filter housing, oil pan, valve cover. Couple hours each to replace.

So, yeah these cars can get expensive quick but hard to find anything with this level of performance especially once tuned.

[M.Power]

I DD my N54 so I don't know why people are saying they'd be scared too....

[katatonia]

Originally Posted by mrfat

Lots to potentially go wrong. I also believe Canada does not get the extended warranties on the HPFP and turbos.

There's some common issues and they'll run you at least $1k to fix and sometimes that's just for the parts alone.

Wastegates can rattle and eventually stick open thus necessitating turbo replacement. OEMs can be had for around $1500 now and 15 hours of labor to install which around here is $1500. So $3k min if you can't do it yourself.

Injectors have been known to fail. $250 a pop and sometimes you replace them in sets of 3 or even all 6. $1500 just for parts.

HPFP. BMW said it was a $2.5k repair but covered under warranty.

Waterpump. $500 part and 5 hours of labor so another $1k repair.

VANOS but usually you can just clean them with brake spray and be ok.

Window and seat motors seem to crap out. So do door lock and window switches. Can be $100 or more for each part. I've now neglected these items though so I'm not sure what current costs are.

Carbon build up that requires walnut blasting. Indy shops may charge around $500 for the repair.

Oil leaks galore. Oil filter housing, oil pan, valve cover. Couple hours each to replace.

So, yeah these cars can get expensive quick but hard to find anything with this level of performance especially once tuned.

Huh. These issues are also all common on the n55?

[tofu?]

Originally Posted by mrfat

Lots to potentially go wrong. I also believe Canada does not get the extended warranties on the HPFP and turbos.

There's some common issues and they'll run you at least $1k to fix and sometimes that's just for the parts alone.

Wastegates can rattle and eventually stick open thus necessitating turbo replacement. OEMs can be had for around $1500 now and 15 hours of labor to install which around here is $1500. So $3k min if you can't do it yourself.

Injectors have been known to fail. $250 a pop and sometimes you replace them in sets of 3 or even all 6. $1500 just for parts.

HPFP. BMW said it was a $2.5k repair but covered under warranty.

Waterpump. $500 part and 5 hours of labor so another $1k repair.

VANOS but usually you can just clean them with brake spray and be ok.

Window and seat motors seem to crap out. So do door lock and window switches. Can be $100 or more for each part. I've now neglected these items though so I'm not sure what current costs are.

Carbon build up that requires walnut blasting. Indy shops may charge around $500 for the repair.

Oil leaks galore. Oil filter housing, oil pan, valve cover. Couple hours each to replace.

So, yeah these cars can get expensive quick but hard to find anything with this level of performance especially once tuned.

man these price quotes are so far up your ass that i'm surprised you were able to reach them to pull them out.

[YouAreMyWorld]

I've DD both an N54 (Just shy of 80,000 miles--tuned for about 5,000 miles) and now an N55. Zero issues with the N54 and one issue with my N55 (OFHG leak) before I even took full ownership--which was promptly fixed.

Also the price of the white one you linked is very high, 60,000 miles and $22,000 (according to google conversion)--could easily get it to $20,000USD.

Also I'm extremely surprised at some people going as far as to say "I'd be scared to DD this car", lmao. I'm sorry, but I didn't realize this was a V10 M5. Yes this vehicle in particular will be more expensive than your average Japanese equivalent to fix when issues do arrive, however don't be dismayed by the vocal minority amongst us that do post about their issues. That's what this forum is for, to help others that are actually experiencing issues with their cars--you're not going to see someone post "My car has been so good to me throughout XX,XXX miles".

I'd own this vehicle out of warranty and wouldn't be scared. The engine itself is practically bulletproof, it's some of the surrounding components that tend to sully it's reputation. My vehicle has been nothing short of solid and I have absolutely full confidence in it. Actually take care of this vehicle with prompt maintenance and it will most certainly take care of you.

[katatonia]

Originally Posted by YouAreMyWorld

I've DD both an N54 (Just shy of 80,000 miles--tuned for about 5,000 miles) and now an N55. Zero issues with the N54 and one issue with my N55 (OFHG leak) before I even took full ownership--which was promptly fixed.

Also the price of the white one you linked is very high, 60,000 miles and $22,000 (according to google conversion)--could easily get it to $20,000USD.

Also I'm extremely surprised at some people going as far as to say "I'd be scared to DD this car", lmao. I'm sorry, but I didn't realize this was a V10 M5. Yes this vehicle in particular will be more expensive than your average Japanese equivalent to fix when issues do arrive, however don't be dismayed by the vocal minority amongst us that do post about their issues. That's what this forum is for, to help others that are actually experiencing issues with their cars--you're not going to see someone post "My car has been so good to me throughout XX,XXX miles".

I'd own this vehicle out of warranty and wouldn't be scared. The engine itself is practically bulletproof, it's some of the surrounding components that tend to sully it's reputation. My vehicle has been nothing short of solid and I have absolutely full confidence in it. Actually take care of this vehicle with prompt maintenance and it will most certainly take care of you.

Yeah, I'm not going to pay that full price for the white but it's likely the one I will buy. Thanks for the post.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by katatonia

Huh. These issues are also all common on the n55?

And prices are high. Is that canadian?

[Fundguy1]

N54 is a solid engine. A good dd and no worse than n55.
Turbos are covered for over 100k and 8 yrs. If the waste gates are problematic they will go before then. New ones are redesigned and fixed.

Injectors were replaced under recall I haven't had one fail in 226k miles. Nor my buddies with similar miles.

Hpfp is the same as the waste gates. The old ones failed. The new ones don't. And they are also warranty.

All the rest are common to both motors. Water pumps typically last 75k. Mine went 200k. Leaky gaskets are on most cars. Vanos on both engines. Carbon build up on both. The prices listed are the highest I've seen quoted for any of these repairs. Obvious troll. If you find a clean well maintained car pull the trigger.

[mweisdorfer]

Originally Posted by katatonia

Hi, I'm selling my G37 and looking to pick up my first BMW. It will be my daily and only car. Have my eyes on this right now:

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/c...ationFlag=true

Thoughts? What problems am I likely going to have to deal with if I buy this out of warranty? Anything to look for on the maintenance records?

Also looking at this, but I've heard bad things about n54's so idk:

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/c...ationFlag=true

If you are willing to do the research to be able to DIY the car, and maintain it as well as either have a good/great set of tools and or buy them, then the car is a great car to own. There is great pride in being able to own and fix a BMW.

BMW 3 series are awesome cars to drive, but they do need to be maintained. If you ignore the maintence then, you will pay a steep price to fix it long term.

Parts for the car are sort of expensive, but the labor to fix it is equal if not even more. The N54 motor in itself is a great motor. The exterior parts around it, like the water pump, for example, can and will fail every 75 to 100k. The water pump is probably one of the more expensive exterior parts to replace at $400.00. The Turbo Chargers are probably the most expensive parts that go, but usually not until 150k or so, if the car is a DD and has been its entire life.

The seals are probably the most troublesome for an N54; rear main seal, valve cover gasket, oil filter housing gasket, and megatronic sleeve are the main gaskets that tend to go around 100k or so. The oil pan gasket at about 150k, for most cars.

Last, your going to need to look up DIY's for changing out every major fluid on the car.

Well there's the info I have learned over owning a 335i since 2009.

[katatonia]

So you guys think that the 2010 will end up costing pretty much the same as the 2011 maintenance/repairs wise?

[dannyhavok]

Originally Posted by tofu?

man these price quotes are so far up your ass that i'm surprised you were able to reach them to pull them out.

I was quoted $8k to replace turbos if the wastegates failed, by a BMW dealer. No extended warranty or service bulletin by BMW Canada. One reason I went with the 328i instead.

[ritzzzzzwik]

Get the N54 is you can. Slap on an extended warranty for peace of mind. Important things is to make sure the service history is good. As many have said before oil leaks are common on any car. Water Pump is bound to go out, only a matter of when. HPFP, again a very common issue, but hasnt happened to me (knocking on all kinds wood). At 52000 Km youre way off from anything major. Heck my car was rock solid till 110K miles. Almost questioned my decision to get an extended warranty, but it paid off and them some, when all things that can go wrong with an 07 did on mine. All between 110K to 111K miles. Mind you in miles! Thats in 2016! Thats good 8 years of just reg maintenance. If that isnt reliable then I dont know what is. This kind of performance cant be had in this price range anywhere. It is one of the greats to never wear an M badge...Oh wait, no it did, in the 1Series M!

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by dannyhavok

I was quoted $8k to replace turbos if the wastegates failed, by a BMW dealer. No extended warranty or service bulletin by BMW Canada. One reason I went with the 328i instead.

My dealer quoted $5500. My independent quoted $1500 labor. Stage 1 turbos are $3k. You do the math.

[Boland01]

If you really want a 335i and are a DIY person then don't be afraid of it. As the mileage goes up so will the potential items that can fail. I haven't had to put a dime into our 535i that just passed 30K miles. On our 335i with 81K miles the water pump, coils (only one was actually bad), mosfets for the dme, walnut blasting, valve cover and oil pan gaskets have been replaced.

With the exception of the mosfets in the dme I did everything else myself. As others have said an extended warranty is another alternative. If it were me I would get the newest model with the lowest mileage your budget will allow.

[Air Drop]

Get the one with the manual trans.

As for the N54, I dd mine, it's been tuned for the last 55k miles, and in my year of ownership I've changed the oil, replaced the brakes, replaced the battery, and replaced one seat belt extender. Not too bad.

[Fundguy1]

Manual is fun if you like them. I do.