F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Today's Posts
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > 2012-2019 BMW 3 and 4-Series Forums > Regional Forums > UK > Runflats and potholes
Studio RSR
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      03-23-2016, 12:11 PM   #1
douglasgdmw
Enlisted Member
2
Rep
43
Posts

Drives: Porsche Boxster Spyder
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Edinburgh

iTrader: (0)

Runflats and potholes

Just wondering what people's opinions are on runflats vs conventional tyres on potholes.

Discovered my runflats (front/rear) have a bulges due to going over a pothole. So it looks like I will have to replace all 4 tyres as the car is an F31 335D XDrive.

Now I was thinking of going to conventional tyres (e.g. Michelin Pilot Super Sports) but was wondering if I am more likely to damage my 19" 403M alloys instead of the tyre if I hit another pothole on conventional tyres.

Admit I would not want to replace another tyre but thinking it's probably cheaper than an alloy.

So thoughts as to whether runflats/conventional are better on pothole roads?

George
Appreciate 0
      03-23-2016, 12:15 PM   #2
creepy coupe
Lieutenant General
creepy coupe's Avatar
1867
Rep
13,043
Posts

Drives: BMW M340I G20
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2015 BMW 435d  [0.00]
2009 335i  [0.00]
Potholes can fcuk both types of tyre. Although I find the shock wave travel further through the car with RF's.I hit one pothole so hard with RF's, it dislodged my interior mirror.
__________________
--------------------------------------------------------------
Current car.M240i.
Previous.MINI JCW. E92 325i. 435d M235i.M135i. 635d Coupe, E92 M3 manual, E92 M3 DCT Competition Pack. E92 335i, Porsche Cayman S Gen2, 135i Coupe. E92 320d, MK5 R32. MK5 Golf GTi,MK5 Golf GT-TDI,E46 318Ci.
Appreciate 1
      03-23-2016, 12:20 PM   #3
Twenty2Three
Lieutenant
209
Rep
520
Posts

Drives: BMW 328i M Sport
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Rochdale

iTrader: (0)

Hopefully you can claim from the council?
I find myself weaving in and out of the potholes in East Lancashire avoiding them
Hate the runflats but still got 5mm on all mine so wondering what to do as a full set of non RF aint cheep!
Appreciate 1
      03-23-2016, 12:25 PM   #4
MarkG_M5Comp
Supreme Being
MarkG_M5Comp's Avatar
United Kingdom
1804
Rep
5,425
Posts

Drives: M5 Comp
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Hampshire, UK

iTrader: (0)

Damage is far more likely with RFT in my experience - lost loads of them to pot holes and the like. Just no give in the sidewalk like you get with the regular tyres.

Add to that the PSS are so much more comfortable and it's a double win.
__________________
Current: F90 M5 Competition
Gone: F80 M3 Competition Pack / M135i / F15 X5 M50d / Saab 9-5 Aero HOT / F30 335d xDrive M Sport / E92 LCI 320d M Sport / E46 320d M Sport Touring / E46 318i Touring
Appreciate 0
      03-23-2016, 01:45 PM   #5
matt_320d
Captain
102
Rep
618
Posts

Drives: 2018 640d GC M-Sport
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Kent

iTrader: (0)

The F30 on 19in on run flats is an absolute nightmare with potholes. Ive spent out over a grand on a new rim and tyres
Appreciate 0
      03-23-2016, 01:46 PM   #6
Watsey
Major General
United Kingdom
6414
Rep
8,498
Posts

Drives: F31 330D sDrive M Sport
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: On sabbatical.

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkG335
Damage is far more likely with RFT in my experience - lost loads of them to pot holes and the like. Just no give in the sidewalk like you get with the regular tyres.

Add to that the PSS are so much more comfortable and it's a double win.
+1
__________________
Current : F31 330sD, remapped, Ohlins Road & Track, Millway camber plates, Quaife LSD, Stoptech brakes + Pagid RSL1 pads all round, Weichers front strut brace, Eibach front & rear anti-roll bars, Michelin MP4S.
Appreciate 0
      03-23-2016, 02:02 PM   #7
S1NGH
Captain
S1NGH's Avatar
United Kingdom
217
Rep
602
Posts

Drives: F82 M4 Competition
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Central Bedfordshire

iTrader: (0)

I noticed today my 19" RFT had a bulge when I was cleaning it. I do remember hitting a pothole pretty hard last week, but this is the first time in 8 years of using RFT's have I ever had a bulge in the side wall...

Quoted £181 for a Goodyear front tyre, luckily I took out RFT tyre insurance, so will be making a claim.

I am not sure if RFT or non RFT are any better over potholes, but I am sticking with RFT's for now, as can have another 4 tyres in 3 years. Once all the tyres need changing, I may consider switching to non RFT to improve the ride quality, but for me its not a priority. I think the GY's are probably the best RFT out there IMO.
__________________
Past BMW's: 2017 G30 530d MSport, 2015 F30 330d MSport, 2013 F10 520d MSport, 2009 E60 530d MSport, 2001 E46 330i MSport, 2002 E39 520i MSport
Appreciate 0
      03-23-2016, 02:38 PM   #8
robbiep
Brigadier General
United Kingdom
1983
Rep
3,216
Posts

Drives: VW e-Golf !
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: North Wales, UK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by douglasgdmw View Post
Just wondering what people's opinions are on runflats vs conventional tyres on potholes.

Discovered my runflats (front/rear) have a bulges due to going over a pothole ...
...
If you can definitively say that potholes are to blame, like you are doing, then you're better than the people who design and build your tyres.

Potholes MIGHT be to blame.
Appreciate 0
      03-23-2016, 02:41 PM   #9
douglasgdmw
Enlisted Member
2
Rep
43
Posts

Drives: Porsche Boxster Spyder
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Edinburgh

iTrader: (0)

Had a chat with my local dealer and have a couple of options. One of those is a set of new 19" 401M Alloys and Pirelli P-Zero Run flat tyres for approx £170 more than a set of 4 Pirelli tyres. They have been sitting on the shelf for the year as good opportunity to get rid of them I suspect.

Means that I can use the 401M as the winter alloys and get a set of winters to put on them and use the P Zero for the summer tyres on the 403M's.

So is the P Zero a decent tyre on the F31 335D XDrive?

George
Appreciate 0
      03-23-2016, 03:19 PM   #10
HiBee
Major
121
Rep
1,089
Posts

Drives: F90 Comp 2019. DG & Silverston
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Edinburgh

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Three28iman View Post
Hopefully you can claim from the council?
I find myself weaving in and out of the potholes in East Lancashire avoiding them
Hate the runflats but still got 5mm on all mine so wondering what to do as a full set of non RF aint cheep!
Good luck on that one.

Unfortunately, claiming council doesn't happen in our area. Several claims from other motorists, zilch results.

Good luck if you can
Appreciate 0
      03-23-2016, 03:31 PM   #11
ewanmac
Captain
ewanmac's Avatar
189
Rep
728
Posts

Drives: m140i
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Aberdeen

iTrader: (0)

Ha exactly the same issue - bulges on both of my near side tyres. I think run flats have less give compared to normal tyres which can absorb more energy when you hit a pothole.

I also have tyre insurance thank god
__________________
M140i and Boxster S for Summer | Previously F31 330dx, E90 335D, E92 335i, E46 320CD, E46 318ci x2... and some short-lived SUV thing
Appreciate 0
      03-23-2016, 03:34 PM   #12
Yeatser
Second Lieutenant
Yeatser's Avatar
102
Rep
228
Posts

Drives: 435d xdrive
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Scotland

iTrader: (0)

I hit a pothole on the A90 a couple of weeks back and broke the front suspension top mount, wheel and standard tyre all ok, £104 for a new top mount and £54 for labour to change it out, called the council who put me onto Bear Scotland who have the contract for that road, they were very nice about it and have sent out a claims form, the pothole was filled within 36hrs but luckily I took pics the next day

Still not received the form yet mind you!
Appreciate 0
      03-23-2016, 03:43 PM   #13
HiBee
Major
121
Rep
1,089
Posts

Drives: F90 Comp 2019. DG & Silverston
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Edinburgh

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yeatser View Post
I hit a pothole on the A90 a couple of weeks back and broke the front suspension top mount, wheel and standard tyre all ok, £104 for a new top mount and £54 for labour to change it out, called the council who put me onto Bear Scotland who have the contract for that road, they were very nice about it and have sent out a claims form, the pothole was filled within 36hrs but luckily I took pics the next day

Still not received the form yet mind you!
Sore!

I know folk that are still waiting for BEAR/AMEY to reply & that's six months now. Claim sent but no reply.
Appreciate 1
      03-23-2016, 03:53 PM   #14
Yeatser
Second Lieutenant
Yeatser's Avatar
102
Rep
228
Posts

Drives: 435d xdrive
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Scotland

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by HiBee View Post
Sore!

I know folk that are still waiting for BEAR/AMEY to reply & that's six months now. Claim sent but no reply.
The garage owner that fitted the top mount was telling me he knows people that have been waiting close to 2 years for their claims to be paid!

Should send them a letter letting them know l,l be charging interest everyday it's not paid, HMRC seem to get away with it when they want underpaid tax back
Appreciate 0
      03-23-2016, 04:14 PM   #15
Esto-Grande
First Lieutenant
United Kingdom
86
Rep
373
Posts

Drives: 435d Gran Coupe
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Cotswolds

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by creepy coupe View Post
Potholes can fcuk both types of tyre. Although I find the shock wave travel further through the car with RF's.I hit one pothole so hard with RF's, it dislodged my interior mirror.
This is a very good description of what it was like in my Z4 before I swapped to non run flats.

I hit a very bad expansion gap which had deteriorated across the width on the lane on the M5 near to me. I thought the tyres and wheels would have been completely buggered, they weren't, but the sound and shockwave is still very clear in my memory.
__________________
435d GC M Sport, Estoril Blue, M Sport Plus, Adaptive LEDs, 19" 442M Bi Colour Orbits & HUD
Appreciate 0
      03-23-2016, 05:49 PM   #16
HighlandPete
Lieutenant General
6659
Rep
15,858
Posts

Drives: BMW F11 535i Touring
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Scotland, Highland Region

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by matt_320d View Post
The F30 on 19in on run flats is an absolute nightmare with potholes. Ive spent out over a grand on a new rim and tyres
RFTs seem to suffer more of a visible tyre 'pinch' over sharp edges. Severe impacts can delaminate the sidewall, allowing air to get in between the structure, causing the bubbles.

Conventional tyres also get 'pinched' and damaged by pothole impacts, often not visibly seen, but still can be compromised. If so, more likely to blow out without warning.

Softer low profile tyre sidewalls typically lead to more damage transfer to the rim. The impact energy has to go somewhere. The taller the tyre sidewall the better chance of energy absorption, as there is a more effective spring characteristic.
Appreciate 0
      03-23-2016, 08:01 PM   #17
HookJaw
Second Lieutenant
HookJaw's Avatar
United Kingdom
117
Rep
223
Posts

Drives: 435dx + Birds B4x suspension
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: North West

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yeatser View Post
I hit a pothole on the A90 a couple of weeks back and broke the front suspension top mount, wheel and standard tyre all ok, £104 for a new top mount and £54 for labour to change it out, called the council who put me onto Bear Scotland who have the contract for that road, they were very nice about it and have sent out a claims form, the pothole was filled within 36hrs but luckily I took pics the next day

Still not received the form yet mind you!
Exactly the same thing happened to me a little while back. Front near-side mount cracked completely in two!
__________________
Current: 435dx MSport, MG, Coral Red, Alum hex trim, black grilles, Birds B4x sport suspension, dual exit exhaust conversion.

Previous faves: Astra GTE mk1, E92 330D
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:27 AM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST