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Better Handling and More Agile: M2 or M3/M4?
I know the M3/M4 has more power than the M2. But does anyone know if the M2 will have better handling and more agility due to less weight than M3/M4?
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Should be the M2 - but this could be really subjective. Shorter wheelbases are usually more playful, might be a better designation.
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01-07-2016, 09:10 PM | #4 |
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What less weight? An inconsequntial 50 lbs or so?
I'm going to guess the M2 will be more agile but not necessarily better handling than the M3/4.
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01-07-2016, 09:48 PM | #5 |
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Actually it will be much more than that for most markets in real life. Why? Because most M3/4 will be specced with adaptive damper, HUD, full leather etc etc, whereas M2s will not have additional options like those to spec. The factory figures are at the lightest available configuration, but markets like Australia for example have the M3 fully optioned as standard.
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01-08-2016, 06:38 AM | #6 |
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Also, the interviews with the M engineers have revealed that the M2 is focused more on performance and does not have to strike a balance between performance and comfort as the M3/M4 must (due to the more grown-up customers). This was one of the reasons given for not providing adaptive dampers since the spring must be compromised to work between significantly different damping points - though this is convenient excuse for not providing adaptive damping on the M2!
Even with my limited experience of the M4, it doesn't set a particularly high bar for handling on a wet or poorly surfaced road (in other words, 90% of UK road driving) so the M engineers would need to have screwed up pretty badly for the M2 not to be at least as good. Of course, everyone's perception will be different. I'm prepared to drop £50K on an M2 so I'm sure I'll find reasons that it's handling is good. Equally, anyone who's paid £60K for an M3/M4 will find reasons that the handling is better! We'll need Evo magazine to arbitrate and, as they don't like the M3/M4 much... |
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01-08-2016, 08:09 AM | #7 |
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Has to be the M2 or aside from a small price difference little point.
Will be the M2 for sure, shorter wheelbase and smaller car will make it feel nimble.
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01-08-2016, 08:19 AM | #8 |
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M2 should "feel" more nimble and agile but on a track, M3/M4 may have better lap time due to more power on straightaways
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01-08-2016, 10:39 AM | #9 |
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Let's wait for the M2 test reviews later this Winter. But we may already assume that BMW has properly done its homework.
The 1M got the E9X M3 underpinnings and wasn't particularly lightweight with its 3296 lbs / 1495 kg curb weight. But its compact size was/is an advantage. Though the M2 (6MT) is 3.46 in / 88 mm longer and 2.01 in / 51 mm wider + got 30 hp more than the 1M, both cars share exactly the same curb weight: 3296 lbs / 1495 kg. I trust that the M2 will also be a blast to drive. Comparison of figures about size and weight: BMW 1M
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In other words, rotational energy. The closer the mass is to it's rotation axis, the less the moment of inertia, so the greater the angular velocity (assuming no loss of energy due to outisde forces i.e. friction). The M2 has a lower moment of inertia. Much lower. Even if the weight is close. It will be more eager to turn, and thus feel more nimble. Mathematically. |
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The 1M is a bit squirrelly sometimes which is why I think the M2 will be so good. It's like the perfect size.
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i think the shorter wheel base alone will make it more fun, though maybe not necessarily better.
i've driven a 228 m-sport and compared to my 328 msport it was noticeably more playful. and its pretty much the same sort of weight difference there too so i'd imagine it'd be a similar difference. |
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Usually when someone says "this car can really handle", one could also say that the car is "very agile". Most cars that are agile are good handling cars, and most cars that good handling cars are agile. Agility definition http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agility 1. the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness: exercises demanding agility. Automobile Handling https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_handling Automobile handling and vehicle handling are descriptions of the way wheeled vehicles perform transverse to their direction of motion, particularly during cornering and swerving. It also includes their directional stability when moving in steady state condition. Handling and braking are the major components of a vehicle's "active" safety. The maximum lateral acceleration is sometimes discussed separately as "road holding". (This discussion is directed at road vehicles with at least three wheels, but some of it may apply to other ground vehicles.) Automobiles driven on public roads whose engineering requirements emphasize handling over comfort and passenger space are named sports cars. So, chances are the M2 with the shorter wheelbase and marginal loss of weight will be the more agile and better handling car. |
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Depends who's sitting in the driver's seat
The best weight shedding is done in the driver's seat: assuming same driving abilities, Danica's weight wins vs Konishiki's weight all the time.
M2 or M3/M4? I agree, we have to wait and see. It's like the old football proverb: that's why they play the games...you just never know what the final outcome will be on a given day. Go Chiefs! Last edited by m981addicts; 01-09-2016 at 10:34 AM.. |
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