PPK stage 1 to eliminate lag?

ThatRWD · 10-27-2015, 02:05 PM

Seems like people used to do this back in 2012 to eliminate turbo lag, why did the stop?

mike@x-ph.com · 10-27-2015, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatRWD

Seems like people used to do this back in 2012 to eliminate turbo lag, why did the stop?

Not sure what the question is

Antetokounmpo · 10-27-2015, 02:09 PM

Lol. A BEF or flash tune is 100x better than ppk 1. Close the wastegates on the jb4 if you want less lag.

Just one of those ThatRWD threads.

ThatRWD · 10-27-2015, 02:33 PM

Closing the waste gates through the jb4 made no difference on my car.

I'm not sure how I came across the ppk thread but the results are different, the vendor tunes give you more power but from what I've read the PPK did a much better job of reducing lag.

Hopefully someone whose experienced both can chime in, I'll post the threads I was looking later tonight.

Antetokounmpo · 10-27-2015, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatRWD

Closing the waste gates through the jb4 made no difference on my car.

I'm not sure how I came across the ppk thread but the results are different, the vendor tunes give you more power but from what I've read the PPK did a much better job of reducing lag.

Hopefully someone whose experienced both can chime in, I'll post the threads I was looking later tonight.

The reason it doesn't have lag is because it's probably targeting 10psi. It takes significantly more time to spool to 20psi versus 10psi.

And setting menu 10 to 5 (all the way closed) reduces lag for me a ton.

nekbreaker · 10-28-2015, 05:33 AM

Yeah that's true ppk did eliminate turbo lag instant power at low rpm now I'm running cobb v3

Brule · 10-28-2015, 05:59 AM

You can control lag with jb4 from instant to mellow throttle.

Same with Cobb or mhd.

ThatRWD · 10-30-2015, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by nekbreaker

Yeah that's true ppk did eliminate turbo lag instant power at low rpm now I'm running cobb v3

Can you flash the PPK yourself or do you have to have the dealer do it? How does the instant low end response compare with cobb v3 and other tunes you might have tried?

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 10-30-2015, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatRWD

Can you flash the PPK yourself or do you have to have the dealer do it? How does the instant low end response compare with cobb v3 and other tunes you might have tried?

Only dealer can do PPK. Look at some other tunes.. Lots too choose from on the N54 market, MHD, COBB, JB4, etc.

Mike

nekbreaker · 10-30-2015, 02:30 PM

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Yeah that's true ppk did eliminate turbo lag instant power at low rpm now I'm running cobb v3

Can you flash the PPK yourself or do you have to have the dealer do it? How does the instant low end response compare with cobb v3 and other tunes you might have tried?

have to be done by the dealer now v3 low end power compare to ppk I have to say they are really close or probably same on that department I went ppk route bc I didn't want to void my warranty now I have cobb v3 and the ppk is save on the v3 if I decide to flash the car back to stock

bradsm87 · 10-30-2015, 03:45 PM

PPK's spool mode AFR target is leaner than stock and the spool mode timing is a fair bit more advanced compared to stock. I might try it one day and see how it feels.

Most OTS maps don't even have spool mode enabled so it's no surprise that PPK felt like it spooled quicker.

ThatRWD · 10-31-2015, 02:49 PM

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PPK's spool mode AFR target is leaner than stock and the spool mode timing is a fair bit more advanced compared to stock. I might try it one day and see how it feels.

Most OTS maps don't even have spool mode enabled so it's no surprise that PPK felt like it spooled quicker.

Can any of the tunes achieve this relatively easily?

I'm fairly tech savvy and don't have issues modifying values and roms/flashes but by easy I mean something that can be done in an hour or two - easily without much research. Otherwise I would rather pay the dealer.

Sgop335 · 10-31-2015, 05:10 PM

ppk crank numbers are shown to be 336hp, 377lb ft. Must be that high lo end torque that rids of lag. I want to do it, still the most reliable compared to others but why freakin so expensive...

CarAbuser · 10-31-2015, 06:02 PM

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ppk crank numbers are shown to be 336hp, 377lb ft. Must be that high lo end torque that rids of lag. I want to do it, still the most reliable compared to others but why freakin so expensive...

Surely you can just flash a PPK bin on your car using MHD? Shouldn't have to visit the dealer for anything.

ThatRWD · 10-31-2015, 06:23 PM

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Surely you can just flash a PPK bin on your car using MHD? Shouldn't have to visit the dealer for anything.

Or even WinKFP or the same method as the alpina B3 flash. Or screw it, I would like to modify one of the tunes to get instant low end response instead.

AWDBooSTIn90 · 10-31-2015, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CarAbuser

Surely you can just flash a PPK bin on your car using MHD? Shouldn't have to visit the dealer for anything.

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Originally Posted by ThatRWD

Or even WinKFP or the same method as the alpina B3 flash. Or screw it, I would like to modify one of the tunes to get instant low end response instead.

Yea someone has to have been able to download the PPK ecu file by now. I would like to try it on my car as well. I already have MHD and have had jb4 before that. Would like to try it since my cars still pretty much stock rn and would be cool to try it and run it until i get fmic and DP's and run E85 blend again.

This could be flashed pretty easily using my MHD as a custom map. All it does is bring up menu where you select a file off your android downloads folder or SD card. Etc...

Sgop335 · 10-31-2015, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CarAbuser

Surely you can just flash a PPK bin on your car using MHD? Shouldn't have to visit the dealer for anything.

Yes, if one can get hold of a ppk bin. Would be great if mhd can offer that as a stage. Makes sense from a marketing perspective as well.

CarAbuser · 10-31-2015, 06:50 PM

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Yes, if one can get hold of a ppk bin. Would be great if mhd can offer that as a stage. Makes sense from a marketing perspective as well.

There's a thread over on BB about it currently. There's a PPK bin uploaded in the thread.

It's for IJE0S. Which I think is the only ROM to get the PPK (not 100% on that). If you are on IJE0S you could give it a go.

bradsm87 · 10-31-2015, 09:35 PM

Yes PPK is IJE0S only. DME replacement with MSD81 is part of the PPK for MSD80 cars.

Sgop335 · 11-01-2015, 08:25 AM

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Yes PPK is IJE0S only. DME replacement with MSD81 is part of the PPK for MSD80 cars.

Software only doesnt require msd81, but addnl kit does?

http://www.shopbmwusa.com/PERFORMANC...ORMANCE/TUNING

ThatRWD · 11-01-2015, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sgop335

Software only doesnt require msd81, but addnl kit does?

http://www.shopbmwusa.com/PERFORMANC...ORMANCE/TUNING

Noticed that too.

I'd really like to get this figured out, PPK almost eliminates turbo lag and from what I've seen the throttle response is instantaneous. And combined with an alpina B3 flash the shifts are faster than a Alpina B3 flash without PPK.

Sgop335 · 11-01-2015, 09:12 AM

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Noticed that too.

I'd really like to get this figured out, PPK almost eliminates turbo lag and from what I've seen the throttle response is instantaneous. And combined with an alpina B3 flash the shifts are faster than a Alpina B3 flash without PPK.

Find a deal, let me know. Would be fine w 600. Best i could do is 800-900 w install. Im quite sure sw only, i8a0s is fine, does need the 840 option tho.

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ThatRWD Major 109 Rep 1,062 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Northern VA iTrader: (0)	Closing the waste gates through the jb4 made no difference on my car. I'm not sure how I came across the ppk thread but the results are different, the vendor tunes give you more power but from what I've read the PPK did a much better job of reducing lag. Hopefully someone whose experienced both can chime in, I'll post the threads I was looking later tonight.
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