[jusdorange]

Can someone provide me with a link to an article or video about Greece is well and truly rodgered ?

Why is it any different from 2010?

Thanks

[tjlees]

Originally Posted by jusdorange

Can someone provide me with a link to an article or video about Greece is well and truly rodgered ?

Why is it any different from 2010?

Thanks

Time for NTG Nick the Greek to step in

[deebee]

This any good?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33232074

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Basically the referendum gave the government backing to thumb nose at EU.

The fact that a lot of this is due to low life tax dodging, something that is now pretty much part of the culture,

This is what happens when tax dodgers are let off.

Yeah okay bit of other stuff happening, however until that's sorted, nothing much else will help.

Corruption in Greece has always been the Elephant in the room, it was back when they joined and it is now.

http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/cat...79/Greece.html


http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2...g-tax-evasion/

http://www.investmenteurope.net/opin...d-consumption/

[F30Andy]

Originally Posted by jusdorange

Can someone provide me with a link to an article or video about Greece is well and truly rodgered ?

Why is it any different from 2010?

Thanks

As someone whom does not really give a flying fudge about current events, I asked one of my pals I was with last night to break it down in a way a stoner could understand, this was basically it:

Once upon a time in a land called Greece they decided to join the Euro.
Unlike their counterparts the Greeks liked to work less days a week and retire around a decade before everyone else.
Over time the economy got worse and worse.
It got to the point they had to be bailed out by the rest of Europe.
They were supposed to pay back this bail out by taking things easy for a few years.
They decided not to take things easy and not to pay back the money.
Now the rest of the EU are saying "look just calm down for a few years, stick to the payment plan and it will all be ok again. Look, Italy, Ireland, Spain etc managed to do it."
Greece are saying "fuck eseís Ev̱ró̱pi̱, emeís tha synechísoume na kánoume ó, ti sto diáolo théloume."
Now the Greeks want their old currency back because apparently they are deluded and think this will fix everything and not set them back even further.

So now we wait and see.

[tjlees]

We have lent them £10 billion.

Don't think we'll be seeing that anytime soon

[teaston]

Originally Posted by tjlees

We have lent them £10 billion.

Don't think we'll be seeing that anytime soon

When you say we do you mean the UK or the EU?

[teaston]

Originally Posted by F30Andy

As someone whom does not really give a flying fudge about current events, I asked one of my pals I was with last night to break it down in a way a stoner could understand, this was basically it:

Once upon a time in a land called Greece they decided to join the Euro.
Unlike their counterparts the Greeks liked to work less days a week and retire around a decade before everyone else.
Over time the economy got worse and worse.
It got to the point they had to be bailed out by the rest of Europe.
They were supposed to pay back this bail out by taking things easy for a few years.
They decided not to take things easy and not to pay back the money.
Now the rest of the EU are saying "look just calm down for a few years, stick to the payment plan and it will all be ok again. Look, Italy, Ireland, Spain etc managed to do it."
Greece are saying "fuck eseís Ev̱ró̱pi̱, emeís tha synechísoume na kánoume ó, ti sto diáolo théloume."
Now the Greeks want their old currency back because apparently they are deluded and think this will fix everything and not set them back even further.

So now we wait and see.

This is true in general, although there are some hard working Greeks (my bro in law is Greek and does about 60 hours a week as the vice principle of one of our biggest colleges)

But the majority are on the whole much lazier than us, it was very apparent when i went there a few years ago.

[Tengocity]

On the other hand you could point out that all those young greeks whose lives have been shafted by corrupt politicians and the pandering to the elderly deserve to have some prospect of a decent future. After all what is the point of being part of a political union if you know that fundamentally the other members of it have absolutely no care what happens to you.

Putting aside for a moment the fact that the debt now exists, using austerity to screw a country over will never get that money back, just compound things.

And I have no sympathy for the Germans owed the money as they are the ones borrowing for less then 1% and charging the Greeks about 8% for the priviledge... ok not quite as bad as Wonga, but they're certainly making a tasty margin.

And... it was the German's who were let off paying back their war debt following the end of world war 2, so they really shouldn't be moralising too much either. And as I understand than given the rise of the Nazi movement has partly been blamed on the lack of debt relief to Germany following World War 1 you would think that some lessons have been learned.

[Nick the Greek]

I am Greek.

[F30AM]

Lazy effing Germans:

I am in Athens at the present and the situation is not funny. I have to cut my visit short due to the problems.

I'd appreciate a bit more consideration in forthcoming opinions.

The effing Germans caused WW2 and had their debt written off. Plus, they were the first to break EU rules. Bunch of shits IMO.

[F30AM]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

On the other hand you could point out that all those young greeks whose lives have been shafted by corrupt politicians and the pandering to the elderly deserve to have some prospect of a decent future. After all what is the point of being part of a political union if you know that fundamentally the other members of it have absolutely no care what happens to you.

Putting aside for a moment the fact that the debt now exists, using austerity to screw a country over will never get that money back, just compound things.

And I have no sympathy for the Germans owed the money as they are the ones borrowing for less then 1% and charging the Greeks about 8% for the priviledge... ok not quite as bad as Wonga, but they're certainly making a tasty margin.

And... it was the German's who were let off paying back their war debt following the end of world war 2, so they really shouldn't be moralising too much either. And as I understand than given the rise of the Nazi movement has partly been blamed on the lack of debt relief to Germany following World War 1 you would think that some lessons have been learned.

Absolutely. Brilliant post.

The Krauts are a bunch of shits IMO. One rule for them and another for everyone else. Nothing has changed with them, since the 30ties and WW2 and before. They were a PITA even for the Romans. Trust those Huns? Just read history and you'll get your answers.

[Nick the Greek]

One has to remember that the Euro was created for the German's, by the German's.
Where Hitler failed, Angela has triumphed.

What a wonderful way to sell your exports at a cost far lower than sovereign currency would allow. The German's have made €trillions on selling us all a lie.

How can you bind two countries as diverse as Germany and Greece (a second world economy when it joined the Euro), with the same currency and interest rates. It meant Greece could raise debt at the same coupon as Germany. Madness.

It was always going to end in tears. And the poorest will always pay the price.

[fastflyer]

I work for a private corporation which is regulated by the public sector.

A similar company in Greece, also regulated by the public sector, went out of business. This public sector-run authority decided to employ 60% of the people who lost their job at the privately run company depsite the fact they weren't needed. They didn't have to do anything for those who lost their jobs but still 100s of people got full pay for doing literally nothing in this government run regulatory board.

I believe they are currently still 'working' for this authority.

[F30AM]

Originally Posted by teaston

This is true in general, although there are some hard working Greeks (my bro in law is Greek and does about 60 hours a week as the vice principle of one of our biggest colleges)

But the majority are on the whole much lazier than us, it was very apparent when i went there a few years ago.

And the same can be said for a significant majority in the UK.

Facts:
http://i100.independent.co.uk/articl...rs--xycGVDQ36g

Lazy effing Dutch and Germans.

[F30AM]

I always view them as Nazis. I can never ever forgive or forget what they did to the Jews and others. The raped Greece during WW2 and murdered hundreds of thousands of Greeks including all the Jews of Thessaloniki. Nothing has changed. They are back to their old tricks.

And my next car won't be German.

[F30AM]

Originally Posted by jusdorange

Can someone provide me with a link to an article or video about Greece is well and truly rodgered ?

Why is it any different from 2010?

Thanks

And that is a crappy title for a thread. Shame on you.

[F30AM]

Originally Posted by Nick the Greek

One has to remember that the Euro was created for the German's, by the German's.
Where Hitler failed, Angela has triumphed.

What a wonderful way to sell your exports at a cost far lower than sovereign currency would allow. The German's have made €trillions on selling us all a lie.

How can you bind two countries as diverse as Germany and Greece (a second world economy when it joined the Euro), with the same currency and interest rates. It meant Greece could raise debt at the same coupon as Germany. Madness.

It was always going to end in tears. And the poorest will always pay the price.

Exactly. Obviously they have no more guilt for all the suffering they caused and are still causing.

[jusdorange]

Originally Posted by F30AM

And that is a crappy title for a thread. Shame on you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Dummies

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Originally Posted by fastflyer

I work for a private corporation which is regulated by the public sector.

A similar company in Greece, also regulated by the public sector, went out of business. This public sector-run authority decided to employ 60% of the people who lost their job at the privately run company depsite the fact they weren't needed. They didn't have to do anything for those who lost their jobs but still 100s of people got full pay for doing literally nothing in this government run regulatory board.

I believe they are currently still 'working' for this authority.

This is pretty much it.

Greece now is similar to how Italy was say 30 years ago.

Nothing was regulated and everyone demanded (and expected) a cut of whatever money was going, whether it was government, grants, bribes etc.

Successive governments in Greece have failed (mainly due to indemic corruption) to collect taxes owed by companies and weather people or people who are classed as self employed and get away with not declaring tax or bare minimum.

Rather disgustingly the Germans knew all this, loaned them money to buy ships and aircraft, backed them for membership of EU and single currency. All the time aware of level of internal debt owed.

The Germans are relatively isolated from the Euro due to stringent guarantees laid down at concept of euro - a monetary fire blanket.

It is very much like Wonga offering cash to some not very bright person down on their luck.

Whether in or out of the Euro, the Greeks need to clamp down on this corruption and low life's not paying taxes.


As an aside, I also hate ex pats living over there (I have about 5 mates living mainland and Cyprus) moaning about impact on pensions etc.

Historically income tax on pensions has been very low to non existent.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by F30AM

And that is a crappy title for a thread. Shame on you.

I agree, he should have used "Idiots Guide To Greece"

[335i nthehouse]

Originally Posted by F30AM

And that is a crappy title for a thread. Shame on you.

Why?

Surely your overtly racist comments were more offensive?