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      03-31-2016, 06:47 PM   #221
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Plot twist:

This is actually the new M7. The M6 becomes the M8. The current M3 and M4 become the new M5/M6, respectively. The M2 becomes the new M4, and BMW releases a 4 door version named the M3.

All is then right with the world.
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Plot twist:

This is actually the new M7. The M6 becomes the M8. The current M3 and M4 become the new M5/M6, respectively. The M2 becomes the new M4, and BMW releases a 4 door version named the M3.

All is then right with the world.
The old days are over. Get used to it.

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Roughly a year after the G30 is launched, so Summer 2017 for photos and details, Paris as the first auto show, sales RoW end of 2017, USA Spring 2018.[/QUOTE

IAA Frankfurt is in 2017.
Doh! I always do that mixing up the odd year. What do you think? Concept Version Preview at some small shows/events or straight to series version?
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Is that 3,5 to 62 for the 63 S?? Gotta say that's pretty insane. And how did you get your hands on these info?
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Is that 3,5 to 62 for the 63 S?? Gotta say that's pretty insane. And how did you get your hands on these info?
Yes that's what it says. It was leaked publicly overnight. If it performs in tests as well as the outgoing E63S, it will be a sub 3sec 0-60 and in the 10's 1/4 mile. If the M760Li at 4900lbs can make the 0-60 run in the low 3's as I expect, the F90 at 7-800lbs lighter should at least match the Merc and certainly handle better.
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Yes that's what it says. It was leaked publicly overnight. If it performs in tests as well as the outgoing E63S, it will be a sub 3sec 0-60 and in the 10's 1/4 mile. If the M760Li at 4900lbs can make the 0-60 run in the low 3's as I expect, the F90 at 7-800lbs lighter should at least match the Merc and certainly handle better.
I know it's a BMW blog but it's ironic how here the M's automatically handle better than the AMG's but in real world reviews and professional driver's opinions the cars are neck and neck. I've seen multiple reviews where the C63 was faster than the M3 and the E63s was quicker than the M5 around a track and vice versa. Amg also has the gts and upcoming gt-r which are from countless reviews supurb and handle marvelously. Bmw has nothing to compete. Same thing can be said for AMG in F1 where they are the current team to beat. I LOVE BMW but this isn't the 90's and other manufacturers have caught up. It's not a "given" for BMW to be the best handling vehicle anymore.
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Updated April 26, 2016 with new photos.

The F90 M5 prototype drops more camouflage, revealing the full shape of the headlights and kidney grilles, as well as the shape of the rear tail lights. It also now wears more aggressively styled side skirts and a small trunk lip spoiler. The brake calipers are now painted blue like all steel M brakes.

We expect the F80 M5 to launch approximately a year after the standard G30 5 Series is launched, with an online reveal for the F90 M5 coming in Summer 2017, an auto show debut in Fall 2017 and sales beginning at the end of 2017 - early 2018.

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Updated April 26, 2016 with new photos.

The F90 M5 prototype drops more camouflage, revealing the full shape of the headlights and kidney grilles, as well as the shape of the rear tail lights. It also now wears more aggressively styled side skirts and a small trunk lip spoiler. The brake calipers are now painted blue like all steel M brakes.

We expect the F80 M5 to launch approximately a year after the standard G30 5 Series is launched, with an online reveal for the F90 M5 coming in Summer 2017, an auto show debut in Fall 2017 and sales beginning at the end of 2017 - early 2018.

[bpgaltitle]BMW M5 (F90) Drops More Camo[bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m5/f90/spyshots/4-26-16/BMW M5 Lights 1-2.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m5/f90/spyshots/4-26-16/BMW M5 Lights 10-2.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m5/f90/spyshots/4-26-16/BMW M5 Lights 2-2.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m5/f90/spyshots/4-26-16/BMW M5 Lights 3-2.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m5/f90/spyshots/4-26-16/BMW M5 Lights 4-2.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m5/f90/spyshots/4-26-16/BMW M5 Lights 5-2.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m5/f90/spyshots/4-26-16/BMW M5 Lights 6-2.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m5/f90/spyshots/4-26-16/BMW M5 Lights 7-2.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m5/f90/spyshots/4-26-16/BMW M5 Lights 8-2.jpg[/bpgalitem][bpgalitem]http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/m/m5/f90/spyshots/4-26-16/BMW M5 Lights 9-2.jpg[/bpgalitem][/bpgaltitle]
Well.... The brakes aren't changing lol. Guess we'll have active brake squeal piped into the cabin too this time.
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What a surprise. It looks like a BMW!...............I wish bmw would do something more aggressive or really change the looks so every single 3 series or 5 series didnt look alike.
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for a second their the first picture looked like a station wagon and i was like whaaat they are making a M5 Wagon? And then i realized it was the white car in the background causing the illusion and then i got disappointed
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Yes that's what it says. It was leaked publicly overnight. If it performs in tests as well as the outgoing E63S, it will be a sub 3sec 0-60 and in the 10's 1/4 mile. If the M760Li at 4900lbs can make the 0-60 run in the low 3's as I expect, the F90 at 7-800lbs lighter should at least match the Merc and certainly handle better.
I know it's a BMW blog but it's ironic how here the M's automatically handle better than the AMG's but in real world reviews and professional driver's opinions the cars are neck and neck. I've seen multiple reviews where the C63 was faster than the M3 and the E63s was quicker than the M5 around a track and vice versa. Amg also has the gts and upcoming gt-r which are from countless reviews supurb and handle marvelously. Bmw has nothing to compete. Same thing can be said for AMG in F1 where they are the current team to beat. I LOVE BMW but this isn't the 90's and other manufacturers have caught up. It's not a "given" for BMW to be the best handling vehicle anymore.
Yeah I agree, this is not the old days, can't just assume BMW always wins in the handling category. Even the American car companies have stepped up. GM's CTS-V and Z06 are both spectacular on the track. Z06 on Sachsenring is only slightly off 918's time and much quicker than the likes of 911 TTS and 458 Speciale.
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You have the X3M and M5. Two out of three.
What's the other new M model testing?
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Yes that's what it says. It was leaked publicly overnight. If it performs in tests as well as the outgoing E63S, it will be a sub 3sec 0-60 and in the 10's 1/4 mile. If the M760Li at 4900lbs can make the 0-60 run in the low 3's as I expect, the F90 at 7-800lbs lighter should at least match the Merc and certainly handle better.
I know it's a BMW blog but it's ironic how here the M's automatically handle better than the AMG's but in real world reviews and professional driver's opinions the cars are neck and neck. I've seen multiple reviews where the C63 was faster than the M3 and the E63s was quicker than the M5 around a track and vice versa. Amg also has the gts and upcoming gt-r which are from countless reviews supurb and handle marvelously. Bmw has nothing to compete. Same thing can be said for AMG in F1 where they are the current team to beat. I LOVE BMW but this isn't the 90's and other manufacturers have caught up. It's not a "given" for BMW to be the best handling vehicle anymore.
Yeah I agree, this is not the old days, can't just assume BMW always wins in the handling category. Even the American car companies have stepped up. GM's CTS-V and Z06 are both spectacular on the track. Z06 on Sachsenring is only slightly off 918's time and much quicker than the likes of 911 TTS and 458 Speciale.
Even though germancarfan is a troll, my statement wasn't brand biased. Any true car enthusiast who has seen the latest round of E63S spy vids at the Nordschleife would be nigh on impotent if they didn't get the fizzy feeling down below watching them. No doubt it's a monster and does handle quite well. It also will be quite a bit heavier. The C63S weighs as much as a 6cyl LWB 7 Series, the E43 as much as an 8cyl SWB 7 Series, and the new E63S will weight in the 4500 lb region. The F90 weight goal is quite a bit lower than that. It also will have some tricks up its sleeve. The current M5/E63S are fairly close and each one's benefit/detriment equal out most of the time.

Nordschleife times are the most manipulated times around and why BMW rarely makes the documentation public. There are 3 total configurations (Tourist, Manufacturer, and Race) and different speed restrictions depending on who the responsible party is for the car and the driver's license credentials. There isn't really a completely legal way to combine all of them and not violate a track restriction (Fines) while recording a time that isn't open for dispute.

AMS times are also very questionable in a way. They are the most consistent dude to Horst von Saurma as the driver, but he doesn't usually drive above 7-8/10's in the twisty bits.

The CTS-V Nordschleife "official" times are well known to be rigged through the use of performance enhancements (Pilot Sport Cup Tires, Magnesium wheels and UDM Wheels) and configurations made in the interest of "safety". Porsche did the same with the 918 by using a fixed roof prototype and de-contented interior. An F10 M5 with Competition Package and M Driver's Package, driven by one specific Factory Test Driver, with nothing but a more appropriate brake pad change on iron brakes, can complete a full lap in under 7:30. The other Factory Drivers can do it in the low 7:30 range.

Saying vehicle X is faster than vehicle Z all the time based off various recordings doesn't always work. Take the 918. One of the fastest production cars in the world. Yet it's slower on the Goodwood Hill Climb course than a Rolls Royce Wraith (which was within a few 10ths of a second behind the Bentley Continental GT3-R).
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You have the X3M and M5. Two out of three.
What's the other new M model testing?
What qualifies? Variant of current base chassis or completely new chassis? A bit of a trick question since both have a correct answer and really there is more than 1 if very early prototypes are included.
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What qualifies? Variant of current base chassis or completely new chassis? A bit of a trick question since both have a correct answer and really there is more than 1 if very early prototypes are included.
No3. Keep the spies on the lookout.
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What qualifies? Variant of current base chassis or completely new chassis? A bit of a trick question since both have a correct answer and really there is more than 1 if very early prototypes are included.
No3. Keep the spies on the lookout.
I figured the Z5 M Roadster was the car you were hinting at and the most obvious. There are 1 or 2 other (pun intended) future completely new M vehicles that we both know exist but aren't at the stage where they're clearly discernible. Beyond those, the X7M and M Performance variants are already being tested but not as a package, a very early X5M package mule is also starting to appear, and finally the the current and near future new model variants also out in the wild.
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No3. Keep the spies on the lookout.
Scott, how wide is the new Z5? The E89 Z4 I had looked a bit too narrow for my liking.

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Yeah I agree, this is not the old days, can't just assume BMW always wins in the handling category. Even the American car companies have stepped up. GM's CTS-V and Z06 are both spectacular on the track. Z06 on Sachsenring is only slightly off 918's time and much quicker than the likes of 911 TTS and 458 Speciale.
You forgot about the Viper ACR - it's a whole level above the Chevy Z06 and actually beats the 918 Spyder on a few tracks.
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Scott, how wide is the new Z5? The E89 Z4 I had looked a bit too narrow for my liking.

You forgot about the Viper ACR - it's a whole level above the Chevy Z06 and actually beats the 918 Spyder on a few tracks.
Please remember the car is expertly camouflaged so panelling covers every area of the body so there is added bulk to disguise the actual cars lines.
Look at the relation of the kidney grille to the fake nose cone attached to the front of the car.
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Please remember the car is expertly camouflaged so panelling covers every area of the body so there is added bulk to disguise the actual cars lines.
Look at the relation of the kidney grille to the fake nose cone attached to the front of the car.
Oh alright, thanks! One more question - is the Z5 being positioned as an F-type competitor, or an SLK/TT competitor like the current Z4?
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Oh alright, thanks! One more question - is the Z5 being positioned as an F-type competitor, or an SLK/TT competitor like the current Z4?
More to the F-Type as there will be a new Z3.
If we get to see one close check the A-pillar structure.
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Scott, how wide is the new Z5? The E89 Z4 I had looked a bit too narrow for my liking.

You forgot about the Viper ACR - it's a whole level above the Chevy Z06 and actually beats the 918 Spyder on a few tracks.
Please remember the car is expertly camouflaged so panelling covers every area of the body so there is added bulk to disguise the actual cars lines.
Look at the relation of the kidney grille to the fake nose cone attached to the front of the car.
Speaking of camo, on the F90 I have some dimensions based on fixed points. With the F10 it was easy to establish where the difference in dimensions were derived from compared to the standard model and far more detailed technical drawings were provided. This time, the technical info is much less detailed outside of the specific components being manufactured. This latest round of camo still doesn't allow a confirmation as to which direction this comes from. Is there something different with the F90 that hasn't been a design feature based on technical requirements as with all previous M5's? Something that is concealed very well under the swirly vinyl to which it's attached?
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