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curious -- why?
What would you see as the differences in the two, and why would the M2GC that you envision be better? All I can think of is smaller than an M3 , but with two more doors than the M2. Is this all because people want into a fourdoor M at a cheaper price point?
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I would gladly pay the same price for an M2GC as the F80 M3 if they both came with the same S55 if that it what is takes for BMW to actually give us something smaller than an E23 7-series sized "M3".
As Levi just stated, at this point in the massive size bloating of the latest generation BMWs, the demand for a reasonably sized sedan is there. Just look at the sales of the new Audi A3/S3 in its first year, and the A4 sales do not appear to have been affected as they were up yoy also. Oh well, the USA market is "financialized" by BMWNA into marketing segments as opposed to customers who rarely buy cars anymore but instead lease them for 2 years. You, USA customer, require a large car, sunroof, automatic transmission, boring-bland colors, and 50+ M badges splattered all around your car. You don't care if the car weighs 3100lb or 3800lb. This is the BMWNA of 2015.
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1. Preferably a new BMW. Otherwise, a CPO BMW M5, Porsche Panamera Turbo or E63 AMG S may do the trick. I know I've been up too late when I start considering the Charger Hellcat. 2. Must have four doors. 3. Must be faster and better in virtually every way when compared to my '14 M235i. |
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If Individual is an absolute must for you, the F80 will be the one to go for. I am hoping for an M2 GC but don't see that happening until maybe the next gen |
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For me personally, I cannot afford a new F8x M3 or even or even a used one but an M2 GC could come in budget. But, as pointed out, that isn't everyone's driving force. I preferred the nimble handling of my 1M over an e9x M3 and as pointed out by others, I too prefer the smaller footprint of the "cheaper" car. I'd love there to be an F2x Gran Coupe. |
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BMW has way to models and variations of their models....They are spreading themselves to thin. Could you guys imagine what BMWs (even ///M division) could do to their core cars if they focused all their resources into those...
I agree that BMW needs to innovate but why the HELL do we have a GT variant of every model..3/4/5/6 and now the 2...Way to many models and is way to redundant, then add the ///M variant to them....Its getting crazy if you ask me!
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My 'problem' that people are rare to admit the reasons for their decisions -- cost being a huge one. Instead people seem to claim it is performance the guides their purchase decision, as if they are all these auto purists that could buy a Maclaren, but know the heart and soul of a car is really to be found in an E30. Every one of these forums is filled with 135 drivers saying their car is just as good as a 1M, 228 and M235s are just as good as the M2 will be, same on the 3-series, the guy who he can win a drag race with his modded 550xi against an M5, etc. Everyone trying to justify their purchase, and yet get a little more closer to the next car up the latter in respect to performance (and luxury -- which sells cars, despite everyone here claiming to eschew those heavy, high end features). It is very, very rare that someone goes down the latter in M cars if we remove the financial consideration. I bought an M5 because I couldn't swing a 991TTS or GT3; but I will freely admit it. I am considering an M2, but am worried less about the size being small enough, and more about the performance not being high enough. The difference between the M235 and the F80 M3 is 7" in length and 5" in width -- is there really room in there for another model? I had a BMW about the size of the M235. I loved it, I miss it, but I don't think they can make a 4-door M this size:
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If there is a model they should make, this is it. Not more GT cars IMHO. For the millionth time, that's a giant misconception. I'm a big fan of both the M235i and the M3, but if you've driven both, it's VERY clear that there is a gap between the two. This has also been beaten to death on this forum.
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It's interesting to see some on the forums (not necessarily anyone in this thread though) with strong beliefs that wealth equates to "what series BMW" people own. While there is some correlation to wealth/income of course, at the same time BMW's own research shows that the number one BMW owned by the top 5% is the 3-series.
What is really present of course is simply biases being shown as opposed to actual facts about the marketplace.
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This has been confirmed a long time ago. |
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I have been considering an F80 for quite a while now because the 235 just doesn't do it for me. Main problem? Floaty suspension, vague braking feel, and overall squishy-ness. It is definitely an improvement in many ways over my 2 135s (looks, interior quality), but not so much in terms of how the car feels. The F80, on the other hand, is on a different planet. The engine, which we won't see in the M2, is much more responsive and raw. The car feels 10 X's more planted - we are getting the chassis/suspension technology on the M2. And the brakes are MUCH better - which we are also getting. So the car is basically a badass F80 from the belt line down...Add to that an LSD, quad exhaust, bigger wheels and tires (also a weak point of the 235), and the fender flares and what do you have? You have a VERY different car than the one that I am currently driving. Even without the S engine. As far as the original question goes, there are others here that are of the same mind as me (///W comes to mind) - we would love to see a 1M estate or M2GC because we want to have all the fun of an M car...and our dogs can come too.
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The consolation prize is that there will be a hardcore version of the M2. Scott26 had said that he'd seen one that resembles the BMW Vision GT---but with smaller wheel flares and wing. This will probably be really limited. |
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