Particle filter failure

Beefy · 12-20-2007, 12:50 PM

The error message ‘Particle filter failure!’ appeared on the idrive, anyone experience this problem before?
Best wishes
Beefy

Serjames · 12-20-2007, 12:58 PM

not me, but it has been known to happen.

Quite expensive to replace, so best let the dealer know.

SJ

dxb335d · 12-20-2007, 03:33 PM

how much is it, i worry about this part when re-mapping.

Serjames · 12-20-2007, 04:19 PM

carl you worry about everything

ShereKhan · 12-20-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Beefy

The error message ‘Particle filter failure!’ appeared on the idrive, anyone experience this problem before?
Best wishes
Beefy

Beefy is your mileage low?

Does your driving consist of short runs stop start.

If it is then your PF is probably clogged, my lease company tell us not to get PF if we do short stop start trips. They also advise giving it an "italian tune up" above 50 mph every two weeks if the car is run on short runs stop/start.

Beefy · 12-21-2007, 04:09 AM

My everyday journey involved quite a bit of open road and I’ve only done 17k, the filter should last way more then this. That alone is quite worrying in terms reliability

I’ve spoken to the dealer and subsequently booked in for further investigation, more update here after the service.

Z4 Beemer · 12-21-2007, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Serjames

not me, but it has been known to happen.

SJ

Is the particle filter not only fitted to diesels???

Serjames · 12-21-2007, 05:39 AM

Aye, hence why it couldn't happen to me

lol

SJ

Z4 Beemer · 12-21-2007, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Serjames

Aye, hence why it couldn't happen to me

lol

SJ

Me neither... you had me wondering though!

ChrisMWard · 12-21-2007, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Serjames

Aye, hence why it couldn't happen to me

lol

SJ

Unfortunately James all you petrol heads only have the catalyst to fail

and don't the sixes have two? Ouch.

Regards

Chris

E92Fan · 12-21-2007, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisMWard

Unfortunately James all you petrol heads only have the catalyst to fail

and don't the sixes have two? Ouch.

Regards

Chris

Ah, we actually have four cats..

Z4 Beemer · 12-21-2007, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by E92Fan

Ah, we actually have four cats..

Is it just the 335i's that have 4 cats?

E92Fan · 12-21-2007, 07:26 AM

yes, the 335i has two primary or precats just behind the manifold, then two secondary cats in the centre section.

The 325i from what I can see only has a single cat within the exhaust manifold off the engine, and has a centre section muffler later before the backbox

Z4 Beemer · 12-21-2007, 08:47 AM

You are a fountain of knowledge Tony

...interesting fact.

jwbmw · 12-21-2007, 08:56 AM

The advice of our leasing company is:

If you are quoting/ordering on a diesel vehicle with a Exhaust Particulate Filter EPF/DPF please ensure that you are aware of the manufacturers operating instructions as there is a risk of reliability issues if they are not heeded.

Drivers who drive mainly in urban areas are most at risk of their EPF clogging up and their car having to make regular trips to their local dealer. In the case of some drivers this has meant visiting their dealer once every six weeks or so to have the filter unblocked as their driving occurs predominantly in traffic at low speed.

According to manufacturer guidelines, unless an EPF-equipped diesel engine is operated at 50mph for at least 20 minutes, or covers 50 miles at motorway speeds at least once every couple of weeks, there is an extreme risk of the EPF clogging up.

If you know your car is going to spend most of its time in urban areas at low speed, then it’s worth avoiding a car with an EPF.

dxb335d · 12-21-2007, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by E92Fan

yes, the 335i has two primary or precats just behind the manifold, then two secondary cats in the centre section.

I feel so sorry for you, all that restriction

Dont you just want a nice shiny Custom, straight thru zorst?!

Z4 Beemer · 12-21-2007, 10:19 AM

Very interesting jwbmw - do some BM's not come 'as default' with a DPF?

dxb335d · 12-21-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Z4 Beemer

Very interesting jwbmw - do some BM's not come 'as default' with a DPF?

Yes the 335d and 535d do.

ChrisMWard · 12-21-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dxb335d

Yes the 335d and 535d do.

I think you'll find that all BMW diesels now come with one/two as standard Carl. It's part of the emission reduction system so there's no chance of ordering a car without one.

Regards

Chris

jwbmw · 12-21-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisMWard

I think you'll find that all BMW diesels now come with one/two as standard Carl. It's part of the emission reduction system so there's no chance of ordering a car without one.

Regards

Chris

I concur, they were standard fit on both my E60 and E92. Just as well most of my mileage is on Motorways / Dual Carriage Ways above 50 mph

SDRX · 12-21-2007, 12:48 PM

It seems BMW have installed a very high tech DPF, which uses regenerative technology to effectively keep renewing the filter. High exhaust temperatures are needed so that soot is burnt off the filter. However, light urban drivers rarely reach such temperates and therefore clog the filter.

dxb335d · 12-21-2007, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisMWard

I think you'll find that all BMW diesels now come with one/two as standard Carl. It's part of the emission reduction system so there's no chance of ordering a car without one.

Regards

Chris

All bmw diesels now come with the DPF? didnt know that..

i Knew that they were standard on 35d models but an option on others.

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