Pandora Car Alarm System
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   BMW M3 and BMW M4 Forum > BMW F80 M3 / F82 M4 Technical Topics > Track / Autocross / Dragstrip / Driving Techniques

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      08-16-2014, 10:37 PM   #1
FTS
Enjoying driving
FTS's Avatar
United_States
388
Rep
1,169
Posts

Drives: 645
Join Date: May 2009
Location: MD

iTrader: (0)

A Great Vid On Driving Without Aids

Although it is a Porsche, this is the definition of smooth I guess:

Appreciate 0
      08-16-2014, 11:17 PM   #2
GregW / Oregon
Commander-In-Chief
2067
Rep
8,898
Posts

Drives: 2023 M2 Coupe, 2020 GLE 450
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Lake Oswego, OR

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by FTS View Post
Although it is a Porsche, this is the definition of smooth I guess:
Nice. Keeping the front in line is a lot of work! Glad to see he got past the red car.
__________________

Greg Lake Oswego, Oregon, USA
2023 M2 Coupe - Brooklyn Grey/Cognac/CF, 6MT; 2020 MB GLE 450
Appreciate 0
      08-17-2014, 06:37 AM   #3
JoeFromPA
Colonel
1791
Rep
2,995
Posts

Drives: '15 AW M3 6MT Stripper
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: SE PA

iTrader: (0)

Awesome vid and thank you for sharing.

That was smooth for an old Porsche with non-assisted steering....he was jerking that wheel around to smooth it out and the front end was staying nice and steady.

This really shows the advantage of Porsche's driving position AND those beautiful hoodlines/headlights. It's like really good rifle sights - it becomes instinctual to point her in the right direction.
Appreciate 0
      08-17-2014, 11:56 AM   #4
FTS
Enjoying driving
FTS's Avatar
United_States
388
Rep
1,169
Posts

Drives: 645
Join Date: May 2009
Location: MD

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon View Post
Nice. Keeping the front in line is a lot of work! Glad to see he got past the red car.
It was a battle for sure He is actually controlling the rear with the steering corrections, not much the front. Short wheel base, rear engine swinging, those cars were a handful in many ways
Appreciate 0
      08-25-2014, 11:38 AM   #5
pkimM3r
Banned
pkimM3r's Avatar
205
Rep
7,298
Posts

Drives: m3 saloon in granny mode.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: lost angeles

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FTS View Post
It was a battle for sure He is actually controlling the rear with the steering corrections, not much the front. Short wheel base, rear engine swinging, those cars were a handful in many ways
you mean controlling the back with his foot right?
Appreciate 0
      08-25-2014, 01:06 PM   #6
okusa
Lieutenant Colonel
okusa's Avatar
826
Rep
1,674
Posts

Drives: '11 E90 M3 - SSII
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Los Angeles

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3 View Post
you mean controlling the back with his foot right?
This
Appreciate 0
      08-25-2014, 01:57 PM   #7
FTS
Enjoying driving
FTS's Avatar
United_States
388
Rep
1,169
Posts

Drives: 645
Join Date: May 2009
Location: MD

iTrader: (0)

with some help from hands

Here is another very brave soul:

Appreciate 0
      08-25-2014, 03:22 PM   #8
pkimM3r
Banned
pkimM3r's Avatar
205
Rep
7,298
Posts

Drives: m3 saloon in granny mode.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: lost angeles

iTrader: (0)

i love track videos in general....but there are plenty of ppl on these boards that drive with all nannies off...its not rocket science or a special feat in itself.

i would say that the videos above show a very skilled driver more so than driving with nannies off.

check this one out:
Appreciate 0
      08-25-2014, 03:26 PM   #9
pkimM3r
Banned
pkimM3r's Avatar
205
Rep
7,298
Posts

Drives: m3 saloon in granny mode.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: lost angeles

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FTS View Post
with some help from hands
hands point the front of the car where you want to go and throttle controls what you want the rear of the car to do. no?

want the car to keep following the front? steady on the throttle.

want the car to rotate even more? give it more throttle or back off the throttle.

(and the thousands of other things you can do with the throttle)

Appreciate 0
      08-25-2014, 03:54 PM   #10
FTS
Enjoying driving
FTS's Avatar
United_States
388
Rep
1,169
Posts

Drives: 645
Join Date: May 2009
Location: MD

iTrader: (0)

Yes of course, that's how it works with a 911, especially a classic one; however, I think of the steering as the fine tuning control for the attitude of the vehicle. The level of throttle application is not precise enough, so the steering becomes the adjuster or balancer between the throttle/brake, and momentum.

Last edited by FTS; 08-25-2014 at 04:26 PM..
Appreciate 0
      08-25-2014, 04:02 PM   #11
FTS
Enjoying driving
FTS's Avatar
United_States
388
Rep
1,169
Posts

Drives: 645
Join Date: May 2009
Location: MD

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3 View Post
i love track videos in general....but there are plenty of ppl on these boards that drive with all nannies off...its not rocket science or a special feat in itself.

i would say that the videos above show a very skilled driver more so than driving with nannies off.
Yes, you are right, it was my poor attempt to a humble title for the message Who is the driver in the cup car? Modern car, even Cups, are now so much easier to drive than the classic 911s I think. The most surprising thing for me the first time I drove a 997Cup was how similar it felt to my GT3. Of course there were a lot of differences in controls, chassis feel, etc. however, the dynamic attributes felt very familiar.

Here is my very first and poor trial to driving a 2010 997 GT3 Cup, slow as a turtle and I still managed to spin it with a very lucky save at the last moment:


Last edited by FTS; 08-25-2014 at 04:26 PM..
Appreciate 0
      08-25-2014, 06:05 PM   #12
pkimM3r
Banned
pkimM3r's Avatar
205
Rep
7,298
Posts

Drives: m3 saloon in granny mode.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: lost angeles

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FTS View Post

Here is my very first and poor trial to driving a 2010 997 GT3 Cup, slow as a turtle and I still managed to spin it with a very lucky save at the last moment:
damn that was a close call with the wall what would have happened if you hit it? :yikes:

regardless of slow or fast...that looks (and even based only on sound) FUN!!! i wish i could do this some day. for now it will be in my family sedan

even if you are slow on the corners, that corner exit must have been fast as hell
Appreciate 0
      08-25-2014, 08:32 PM   #13
FTS
Enjoying driving
FTS's Avatar
United_States
388
Rep
1,169
Posts

Drives: 645
Join Date: May 2009
Location: MD

iTrader: (0)

I'd recommend the course, it was a very beneficial for advance learning:

https://www.porschedriving.com/Porsc...--GT3-Cup.aspx

I attended the one-day school, the two-day requires 1.5 CBB kits
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2014, 11:06 AM   #14
pkimM3r
Banned
pkimM3r's Avatar
205
Rep
7,298
Posts

Drives: m3 saloon in granny mode.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: lost angeles

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FTS
I'd recommend the course, it was a very beneficial for advance learning:

https://www.porschedriving.com/Porsc...--GT3-Cup.aspx

I attended the one-day school, the two-day requires 1.5 CBB kits
damn might have to do this. now i need to do some runs with scca
Appreciate 0
      08-29-2014, 08:23 AM   #15
peter_s
Private First Class
peter_s's Avatar
Sweden
38
Rep
143
Posts

Drives: M2, Datsun 280Z, MGB GTS V8
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Gothenburg

iTrader: (0)

Wow, he is really using ALL of the curb in the first video.

Here is another favorite:


Drifting up eau rouge, talk about committing!
__________________
7:51,4 BTG BMW M4, 8:35 BTG Mini Clubman S, 8:56,6 BTG Swift Stage 2
208 laps on the Nordschleife
Appreciate 0
      08-29-2014, 08:34 AM   #16
FTS
Enjoying driving
FTS's Avatar
United_States
388
Rep
1,169
Posts

Drives: 645
Join Date: May 2009
Location: MD

iTrader: (0)

Woww, that's some driving!
Appreciate 0
      08-29-2014, 09:32 AM   #17
M3 Esq
Automobilist
M3 Esq's Avatar
United_States
395
Rep
2,632
Posts

Drives: E70 X5, 911 GT3
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CT

iTrader: (12)

Good vid. Patrick Long is a great driver.
Appreciate 0
      09-01-2014, 12:04 AM   #18
pkimM3r
Banned
pkimM3r's Avatar
205
Rep
7,298
Posts

Drives: m3 saloon in granny mode.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: lost angeles

iTrader: (0)

we need more amateur "why is the steering wheel pointed left and the car turning right" type of videos! lol
Appreciate 0
      10-01-2014, 07:39 PM   #19
Ducfan
Private
Ducfan's Avatar
24
Rep
95
Posts

Drives: 2015 M3
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Michigan

iTrader: (0)

Does anyone actually drive on the track with the aids on?

I have always had to turn them completely off to make any progress at all. Now the only cars I have tracked that had nannies were my e90 m3 and my e39 M5. I just got my F80 M3. Only did some parade laps because I'm not through break in yet. But I can already tell all traction control has to be off. Not sure what I'll do with the rev matching manual...it may have some benefit.

How do the nannies of other modern cars compare? Like Porsches? Can they be used to benefit on the track?

My primary track car is a vintage 911.....so I'm used to steering with my foot.
Appreciate 0
      10-01-2014, 10:05 PM   #20
FTS
Enjoying driving
FTS's Avatar
United_States
388
Rep
1,169
Posts

Drives: 645
Join Date: May 2009
Location: MD

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducfan View Post
How do the nannies of other modern cars compare? Like Porsches? Can they be used to benefit on the track?

My primary track car is a vintage 911.....so I'm used to steering with my foot.
My experience with Porsches is that PSM is very intrusive as well. When you turn the on the Sport button, which is equivalent to MDM I think, the car is drivable 8/10ths, but to go beyond that you have to turn it off as well. The good thing since the 997.2 model 911s, PSM and TC settings are separate, so you can turn off PSM and leave TC on which is near perfect for me. Although 996 and 997.1 GT cars did not even have PSM, 997.1 just had TC. The 987/981 platforms do not have this ability, so it forces you turn it all off.
Appreciate 0
      10-06-2014, 12:46 AM   #21
M4isKing
Banned
4
Rep
220
Posts

Drives: no torque
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: at the track

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by FTS
with some help from hands

Here is another very brave soul:

very good car control! I strive to be like that one day!

Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:55 AM.




f80post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST