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      05-23-2016, 06:26 PM   #309
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Car does seem to have a bit of understeer but looks very fast in a straight line. Surprised how little body roll it has given the high ride height.

I've always been more of a 3-series fan but I'm interesting to see how much weight savings they can achieve on the new 5er. The rivals are pushing big the weight loss as well with the new models which will be great for us enthusiasts as CF production will become cheaper.
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Fair enough but without AWD or autopilot technologies this car is going to have very limited sales.
Sorry have I got this right?
You want an Autonomous M5?
The M5 is a car that has to be driven and not by itself.
Scott: Agreed!!! M cars are to be driven!

And that's all I've got to say to that
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Panamera is M6 GC competition, not M5.
Exactly. If you like the look of the Vision Future Luxury you will love the next 6er Gran Coupe.
I read in carbuzz that the next generation 6er will not have Gran Coupe they only going to stick with coupes
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Fair enough but without AWD or autopilot technologies this car is going to have very limited sales.
Sorry have I got this right?
You want an Autonomous M5?
The M5 is a car that has to be driven and not by itself.
I am just looking for an M with Level 1 autonomous control in the form of Active Cruise Control. Since I have already grown accustomed to this spectacular feature I won't buy a daily driver without it at this point. If Porsche doesn't think this feature detracts from the purity of their proper sports cars, then BMW might want to check themselves when they think their AWD sedan with no manual option is above this feature. At the same time park distance control is seemingly totally M worthy? PUH-LEEZE.
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I hope it looks more aggressive for this new generation.

I loved my F10 M5 and if this sucker looks good I'll be back in another M5.

Lets go BMW!
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?t looks promising except for the sound. Not saying it sounds bad but it just doesn't sound special if that makes sense. I know part of that has to do with turbos but the new amg's also have turbos yet they still have that character going when it comes to exhaust sound.

Am i missing something? If AMG can do it , BMW M should also be capable. Maybe i'm exaggerating i don't know lol
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Why is it that BMW M cannot come close to AMG as it relates to exhaust noise? Is it a lack of effort? Whilst this sounds ok, it doesn't sound as aggressive as any of the AMG V8s. The M devision might very well be better handler than their respective AMG counterpart, but an emotional sound is a very important part of the driving experience
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?t looks promising except for the sound. Not saying it sounds bad but it just doesn't sound special if that makes sense. I know part of that has to do with turbos but the new amg's also have turbos yet they still have that character going when it comes to exhaust sound.

Am i missing something? If AMG can do it , BMW M should also be capable. Maybe i'm exaggerating i don't know lol
It's the design of the exhaust manifold. BMW patented a cross-bank, twin-scroll design which significantly reduces lag, but a side effect is the exhaust pulsing is completely equalized in the same manner as a flat plane crank.

AMG (even on the new 4.0TT) use mono-scroll turbos and cannot implement cross banking so the uneven and out of phase exhaust note remains. Audi 4.0TFSI falls in between with twin-scroll turbos and separate exhaust manifold as for each bank.
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Do we know if there will be an F91 Touring?
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?t looks promising except for the sound. Not saying it sounds bad but it just doesn't sound special if that makes sense. I know part of that has to do with turbos but the new amg's also have turbos yet they still have that character going when it comes to exhaust sound.

Am i missing something? If AMG can do it , BMW M should also be capable. Maybe i'm exaggerating i don't know lol
It's the design of the exhaust manifold. BMW patented a cross-bank, twin-scroll design which significantly reduces lag, but a side effect is the exhaust pulsing is completely equalized in the same manner as a flat plane crank.

AMG (even on the new 4.0TT) use mono-scroll turbos and cannot implement cross banking so the uneven and out of phase exhaust note remains. Audi 4.0TFSI falls in between with twin-scroll turbos and separate exhaust manifold as for each bank.
Did they patent the design? It's an old invention to have 180 degree (cross bank) headers. The original Ford GT40 had them for instance.

But BMW was probably the first to combine 180 degree headers and turbocharging.
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Car does seem to have a bit of understeer but looks very fast in a straight line. ...
Who knows what the driver was testing? Maybe all nannies were on.
And maybe a little understeer is the fastest setup for the Nordschleife anyway.
It's definitely the safest for street driving.

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... Surprised how little body roll it has given the high ride height. ...
M cars actually need a good deal of suspension travel.
To absorb bumps on the Nordschleife instead of hitting the bump stops and/or scraping.
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Did they patent the design? It's an old invention to have 180 degree (cross bank) headers. The original Ford GT40 had them for instance.

But BMW was probably the first to combine 180 degree headers and turbocharging.
That would be correct. The current S63 production design along with a few other configurations were patented in 2009 if anyone wants to research them.
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BMW should Always be the drivers choice of car, otherwise just go and buy a Benz.
"Benz" started winning drivers car comparisons against Porsche 911's. Welcome to the 21st century.
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In America nobody who drives an m5 is going to have an i3 to drive around the city. Parking is not a problem, the roads are plenty wide in our large cities. I'd much rather by in traffic in my M5 with its seats (which are the best in the entire BMW lineup) than in any other BMW.

I don't see what's wrong with adding some autonomous features. Did you know that even the Porsche 911 Turbo S has active cruise control and radar-assisted pre-collision technology? And yet you think the M5 use case is too sporty for this kind of technology?

Get out of town. You (not BMW) are arrogant telling customers what they want instead of asking. In fact I can't think of a single instance where you as a BMW representative have ever asked for the opinions of your customers. As far as I am concerned you can continue to make what you want, and if its good I will buy it, but this upcoming generation of BMWs will not receive my business. I bought 3 F10 generation cars FWIW.
I passed on your query that you want more luxury features in the new M5.
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BMW should Always be the drivers choice of car, otherwise just go and buy a Benz.
"Benz" started winning drivers car comparisons against Porsche 911's. Welcome to the 21st century.
Exactly. Meanwhile BMW produced the i8 - the Prius of the sports car world.
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I passed on your query that you want more luxury features in the new M5.
What about a G91 touring?
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What about a G91 touring?
I would sure like one. And I think Van Meel is keen too given his background in Audi's Avant models.
But they will have the M550d xDrive Touring just as they have now as a sort of substitute.
An M3 Touring is now unlikely due to the arrival of the first X3M.
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I would sure like one. And I think Van Meel is keen too given his background in Audi's Avant models.
But they will have the M550d xDrive Touring just as they have now as a sort of substitute.
An M3 Touring is now unlikely due to the arrival of the first X3M.
Touring performance cars are a dying breed unfortunately because of performance SUV's that almost drive like them but at the same time provide the elevated seating that lots of the targeted customer (40-50's) want, for better ingress and for the feeling of commanding the streets...
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I passed on your query that you want more luxury features in the new M5.
No please don't make the M5 even more luxury oriented. Keep it light and true to the E28 M5 roots. Of course some minimum luxury features are required in this class, but please please don't turn it even more into a Mercedes!!!!!
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I would sure like one. And I think Van Meel is keen too given his background in Audi's Avant models.
But they will have the M550d xDrive Touring just as they have now as a sort of substitute.
An M3 Touring is now unlikely due to the arrival of the first X3M.
Thank you for the response. Not quite what I was hoping for but I do understand. Sad though that MB and Audi can have a market with the RS4, RS6, C63 and E63 (even the CLS63, although I believe there won't be another one coming)
I think after my C63 Estate is returned it will be an F13 M6 CP and an F11 525d manual.
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