[BMW M3 CRT]

With an possible M7 in the works, is there no rethinking about the engine possible!?
An 5.0ltr.V10TT based on the "Baukasten"-Engine-Cylinder seems to be the only engine to create an must-have-feeling over the existing M760i and Alpina B7 Models. And then this V10 with a bit less hp could find his way into the new M5.

[AKRAPOVICOWNS]

Some serious body roll there..even if they did decrease the weight, its still fat.

[BMW GENIUS]

They have the nerve to keep production on the twin turbo 6.0l V12 but don't have the nerve to develop a new V8? It wouldn't bother me as much as it does if the normal fleet's N63 wasn't so similar to the S63. Look at it this way. They had more interest in changing to idrive 5.0 than to develop a new V8 engine. And this is coming from a company that calls itself Bavarian MOTOR Works. Sad.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by BMW GENIUS

Look at it this way. They had more interest in changing to idrive 5.0 than to develop a new V8 engine. And this is coming from a company that calls itself Bavarian MOTOR Works. Sad.

You do understand that the electronics division and engine group are two completely separate entities, right? The electronics team doesn't wait around for the engine group to create a new motor before they're allowed to do their jobs. They have goals and milestones that they need to hit that are completely independent from what other groups inside the company are doing.

[BMW GENIUS]

Originally Posted by aajami

You do understand that the electronics division and engine group are two completely separate entities, right? The electronics team doesn't wait around for the engine group to create a new motor before they're allowed to do their jobs. They have goals and milestones that they need to hit that are completely independent from what other groups inside the company are doing.

I do understand that and I may not like it but at the end of the day BMW is a business and they are there to make money by selling a product, but damn come on. I know it's a differently engineered block and other stuff but for $110K+ you're going to have give me something different or something to make me feel special than to have a tuned 550i xdrive stay on my heels for a fortune less.

[C_Treadwell]

Based on the oversteer, there's a good chance this model is RWD. I sure hope AWD is an option, not standard.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

With an possible M7 in the works, is there no rethinking about the engine possible!?
An 5.0ltr.V10TT based on the "Baukasten"-Engine-Cylinder seems to be the only engine to create an must-have-feeling over the existing M760i and Alpina B7 Models. And then this V10 with a bit less hp could find his way into the new M5.

There isn't an ///M7 in the works for the current generation. Packaging a 5.5l TT S Designation V10 in the 5er (and even the 7er) is an issue.

Originally Posted by AKRAPOVICOWNS

Some serious body roll there..even if they did decrease the weight, its still fat.

I don't see any excessive body roll and it's impossible to know what settings the suspension is in etc. IAS is starting to become obvious too.

Originally Posted by BMW GENIUS

They have the nerve to keep production on the twin turbo 6.0l V12 but don't have the nerve to develop a new V8? It wouldn't bother me as much as it does if the normal fleet's N63 wasn't so similar to the S63. Look at it this way. They had more interest in changing to idrive 5.0 than to develop a new V8 engine. And this is coming from a company that calls itself Bavarian MOTOR Works. Sad.

Other than the S85/S65, what engine in an ///M vehicle isn't based off of a mainstream BMW power plant? That V12TT is the basis of the S63. What configuration of V8 would be better than an improved version of the existing motor (just like the previous I6's)?

Originally Posted by C_Treadwell

Based on the oversteer, there's a good chance this model is RWD. I sure hope AWD is an option, not standard.

Well, with that large collar nut on the front axle, AWD is a given, but details of the system will come in due time. Expect it to be different from X5M/X6M.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

BMW already claimed lost weight via a lighter chassis, but you never know BMW may add more features and the weight will creep back up.

Regardless, more power and AWD, it will be faster than F10, not sure more fun, but no doubt quicker.

Well let's hope a couple of hundred kilos has been shed

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by clbmw

Well let's hope a couple of hundred kilos has been shed

1815kg unladen (EU) is the target, but I think 1850kg is more realistic.

[shivaswrath]

Oh the tires squeal like the fat pig that's riding on 'em!

[John Galt]

Once again, xdrive will be an option or xdrive only? No rwd at all?

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

Oh the tires squeal like the fat pig that's riding on 'em!

Small fact of the day:

High Performance Street Tires are acoustically engineered to be louder at the limits since cars are becoming more isolated for wind and road noise.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by John Galt

Once again, xdrive will be an option or xdrive only? No rwd at all?

There's a lot of chatter about it. The answer is swaying towards both. What isn't clear is if this will be dependent on market, special variant/package, or both. Many will shout at the M Gods for such an atrocity, but it's exactly what the car needs to use all the power it's capable of.

[AKRAPOVICOWNS]

Originally Posted by miamiten

There's a lot of chatter about it. The answer is swaying towards both. What isn't clear is if this will be dependent on market, special variant/package, or both. Many will shout at the M Gods for such an atrocity, but it's exactly what the car needs to use all the power it's capable of.

I agree. Plus, even if the car oversteers doesnt prove anything. Those latest gen AWD can direct torque pretty much 100% anywhere. You can see that the X5/6 have a very rear biased AWD, and if the M5 will be AWD only, i bet it will be a very capable system. They know what they're doing.

[keanu1]

M5 boat

[rekkk]

Can they reveal this god damn car already? Literally, production starts very soon. It's less than a year away.....

[Vitacura]

Originally Posted by rekkk

Can they reveal this god damn car already? Literally, production starts very soon. It's less than a year away.....

I thought the next gen M5 isn't coming until late 2017?

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by rekkk

Can they reveal this god damn car already? Literally, production starts very soon. It's less than a year away.....

Roughly a year after the G30 is launched, so Summer 2017 for photos and details, Paris as the first auto show, sales RoW end of 2017, USA Spring 2018.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by AKRAPOVICOWNS

I agree. Plus, even if the car oversteers doesnt prove anything. Those latest gen AWD can direct torque pretty much 100% anywhere. You can see that the X5/6 have a very rear biased AWD, and if the M5 will be AWD only, i bet it will be a very capable system. They know what they're doing.

Indeed. The newer variants of Xdrive are rear biased and very well implemented to enhance the drive instead of diluting it.

Even a lowly 740LdX can swing the tail around with relative ease...

[C5 FOR]

Front looks low and aggressive albeit clearly with some unfinished panels. The rear however looks so far off the ground to be positively NOT anywhere near the correct ratio with the rest of the forward facing car.

Please BMW, not another 4 series lookalike!!!!

And the headlights look to make the F10forward slash11 the Last of the Mohicans, now merged with the grilles.....

[SCOTT26]

[QUOTE=miamiten;19667800]Roughly a year after the G30 is launched, so Summer 2017 for photos and details, Paris as the first auto show, sales RoW end of 2017, USA Spring 2018.[/QUOTE

IAA Frankfurt is in 2017.

[Dethsupp0rt]

Plot twist:

This is actually the new M7. The M6 becomes the M8. The current M3 and M4 become the new M5/M6, respectively. The M2 becomes the new M4, and BMW releases a 4 door version named the M3.

All is then right with the world.