Winter tires READ IF YOU PUT ALPINS OVER YOUR STOCK WHEELS

LSM · 12-29-2020, 07:16 PM

I don't need snows and don't live in snow country. I did notice quite a few ppl on this board indicating they put Michelin Pilot ALPINS in 275 front and 285 rear. The thread patterns are different - directional vs asymmetrical. See this entire post to avoid problems

M8GC FE https://f92.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1784604

Edit: scroll to bottom of above link the poster talks about snows and posts an email from Michelin stating not to use diff tread patterns

GAMA · 12-30-2020, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LSM

I don't need snows and don't live in snow country. I did notice quite a few ppl on this board indicating they put Michelin Pilot ALPINS in 275 front and 285 rear. The thread patterns are different - directional vs asymmetrical. See this entire post to avoid problems

M8GC FE https://f92.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1784604

Thanks for the information since i almost pull the trigger. I guess Pirelli Sotozero is the way to go 💪🏻

adeuel · 12-30-2020, 11:05 AM

Just an FYI on this...

For the few of us who intentionally opted for 19" wheels, the BMW recommended winter set up sizing is down size to 265 on front and keep 285 on rear. That Alpin size combination is matching tread patterns - directional.

They were the best winter tires I've ever run, including Nokians.

LSM · 12-30-2020, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by adeuel

Just an FYI on this...

For the few of us who intentionally opted for 19" wheels, the BMW recommended winter set up sizing is down size to 265 on front and keep 285 on rear. That Alpin size combination is matching tread patterns - directional.

They were the best winter tires I've ever run, including Nokians.

Correct!! I am referring to those putting alpins on the stock 20's in 275/285 20 sizes that many have done

edge350 · 12-31-2020, 03:14 AM

For winter, I have 20 inches BBS wheels with 275 Alpins all around. Did I do that wrong? I've driven through a few snowy/frozen days without trouble.

brava09 · 12-31-2020, 03:49 AM

Yeah, I'm on my second winter with my Alpins on 20", they run like champ, hook like crazy, no issue whatsoever

Nikolov · 12-31-2020, 10:52 AM

Already went down that path, I think it was discussed in a few other threads. I switched my rears to 275 as well. Slightly stretched compared to the fronts, but no issues.

M5stu · 12-31-2020, 12:51 PM

2nd season on my 275/285 PA4 and no issues for me. Don't think I'll be rushing to take them off. They were awesome today!! 👌

cruzzinlow · 12-31-2020, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GAMA

Thanks for the information since i almost pull the trigger. I guess Pirelli Sotozero is the way to go 💪🏻

Pirelli Sotozero’s here and love them, second winter with them and they are very confidence inspiring in snow and wet cold roads. The car is pretty unstoppable in the snow with them.

Deleted Account · 01-01-2021, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GAMA

Thanks for the information since i almost pull the trigger. I guess Pirelli Sotozero is the way to go 💪🏻

Pirelli Sotozero's here and love them, second winter with them and they are very confidence inspiring in snow and wet cold roads. The car is pretty unstoppable in the snow with them.

Are you running 275s all around? Or 275/285?

cruzzinlow · 01-03-2021, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HardBob

Are you running 275s all around? Or 275/285?

275/285

Jonathan G. · 01-04-2021, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by HardBob

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Originally Posted by cruzzinlow

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Originally Posted by GAMA

Thanks for the information since i almost pull the trigger. I guess Pirelli Sotozero is the way to go 💪🏻

Pirelli Sotozero's here and love them, second winter with them and they are very confidence inspiring in snow and wet cold roads. The car is pretty unstoppable in the snow with them.

Are you running 275s all around? Or 275/285?

I am running 285/35-20 Michelin Alpin pa4 all around on stock oem 20"
Wheels so tires are square but wheels are not.

This is an excellent tire and i find it far superior to the Pirelli sottozeros that i ran as a square set up in 255/35-20 for my Audi S6.

BMWCAT · 01-04-2021, 01:05 AM

Just wondering if there will ever be all season option for the 20s..?
Where I live we do snow sometimes but often only 1-2 weeks in a year. But the ground to get freeze up during winter months..
No use for snow tires, but all season could sure make drives more confident!

LSM · 01-04-2021, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan G.

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Originally Posted by HardBob

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Originally Posted by cruzzinlow

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Originally Posted by GAMA

Thanks for the information since i almost pull the trigger. I guess Pirelli Sotozero is the way to go 💪🏻

Pirelli Sotozero's here and love them, second winter with them and they are very confidence inspiring in snow and wet cold roads. The car is pretty unstoppable in the snow with them.

Are you running 275s all around? Or 275/285?

I am running 285/35-20 Michelin Alpin pa4 all around on stock oem 20"
Wheels so tires are square but wheels are not.

This is an excellent tire and i find it far superior to the Pirelli sottozeros that i ran as a square set up in 255/35-20 for my Audi S6.

As long as you are keeping the same thread pattern and overall diameter similar to stock whatever your preference is

The Michelin Alpin PA4 275 and 285 have the diff thread patterns :-)

-Mike- · 01-04-2021, 09:56 AM

As recommeded by my dealer, I´m on Pirelli PZ-WIN 275/35R20 and 285/35R20.

Cheers,
Mike

vink · 01-12-2021, 12:07 PM

I went with Alpine PA4's 275/285 setup and they have been great in winter driving. Impressive stopping distance in snow/ice and awesome grip in twists and turns. Couldn't be happier!

ski1972 · 01-31-2021, 08:45 AM

whatever tires you choose for winter set I always try to run square set on oem rims , Michelin Alpine 285 35 20 for NYC roads are perfect grip is incredible . debating to get PS4 285 35 20 on the fronts for better quality ride. I believe BMW does not recommended Alpines for speed rating which is V 149mph liability issue . Just my few cents .

GAMA · 02-06-2021, 08:06 AM

We wrote Michelin directly and they say that they don't recommend using their tires because the different profiles or thread patterns. VA vs HA.

GAMA · 02-06-2021, 08:07 AM

My car now sitting on Pirelli P Zero
275/285

M5stu · 02-06-2021, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GAMA

We wrote Michelin directly and they say that they don't recommend using their tires because the different profiles or thread patterns. VA vs HA.

This letter seems to provide Michelin's view on running a strange mix of Alpin 5 on the front(so not PA4) and PA4 on the rear and running the text through a translator states that they "cannot be issued because the profiles are different between the front and rear axle".

So not quite the statement that they don't recommend using Michelin tyres (PA4 Fr&Rr) on the M5. There is no reference to tread patterns that I can see?

I've got the PA4's and they seem fine so far and into their second season.

GAMA · 02-06-2021, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by M5stu

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Originally Posted by GAMA

We wrote Michelin directly and they say that they don't recommend using their tires because the different profiles or thread patterns. VA vs HA.

This letter seems to provide Michelin's view on running a strange mix of Alpin 5 on the front(so not PA4) and PA4 on the rear and running the text through a translator states that they "cannot be issued because the profiles are different between the front and rear axle".

So not quite the statement that they don't recommend using Michelin tyres (PA4 Fr&Rr) on the M5. There is no reference to tread patterns that I can see?

I've got the PA4's and they seem fine so far and into their second season.

The part where it mention the tread pattern is on the bottom of the letter where it talks about the profile. I dont speak German but everyone around me does since i live in Germany for the last 16 years. At the end everyone is going to do what they want, i often drive fast and i dont want to take any risk when i drive with my family. If the pros say is not recommended then is up to us if we want to listen.

greentrbo95gst · 03-08-2021, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by edge350

For winter, I have 20 inches BBS wheels with 275 Alpins all around. Did I do that wrong? I've driven through a few snowy/frozen days without trouble.

I also use 275's all the way around. Staggered is not recommended for the snow.

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Nikolov Lieutenant 239 Rep 473 Posts Drives: '19 F90 M5C, '17 911 TTS Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Sofia, Bulgaria iTrader: (0)	Already went down that path, I think it was discussed in a few other threads. I switched my rears to 275 as well. Slightly stretched compared to the fronts, but no issues.
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