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I have driven the new vantage and my M5 on the track. (I am a member of Atlanta Motor Park). The M5 is a much better track car and it is not even close... I like these guys who just post shit with no knowledge or experience. If you don't own one or have spent significant time behind the wheel you shouldn't make general statements about what it is or isn't
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Agree with all... These cars have just two things in common. High fun factor and higher depreciation Other than that they are different purpose cars and will likely never be cross-shopped. |
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I love the first comment on how the M5 is boring and loses to a Mustang on track (LOL, forgot to see that the Mustang has Sport Cup 2's), but never mind that. The intriguing part is, have you driven an M5 to say it is just inert and boring and way too fast??
I get that if you drive it 2/10 it is boring, as it does not feel any bit more special than a 530i, making you question why you paid twice as much. But drive it 10/10 and boy oh boy. |
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Yes, I have owned multiple M cars. "First of all, you buy an M5 because it is a fast sedan that you can drive every day, that is the purpose of the car." I literally said that in the post you quoted. "You lose all credibility when you criticize a sedan that does the Nurburgring as fast as a 911s" Nurburgring? Seriously. If there a SINGLE track that benefits from 600hp, it's THAT track. Any "reasonable" track is slow for the M5. You can see here: The F90 M5 is surrounded by Mustangs, Camaros, older Porsches, etc for lap times. https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988 https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/autozeitung-test-track https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virgi...e-post-01-2014 You can look at those "laptimes" you care so much about to see that it's laptimes are quite literally nothing special. Bashing an M5? How am I bashing it by stating complete facts? I said if I wanted performance AND form, I'd buy a 991 GT3 for 120-130k if that's my concern (which it isn't). The M5 is a comfy and fast but NOT track focused daily driver. How is that wrong? "You claim to lease an Acura NSX which is 65k more than an M5 and was only 2 seconds faster around the Nurburgring than a non Comp M5, when they run the M5 Comp it will be faster than the NSX. You also claim to own an F type r which is 15 seconds slower than the "Grocery Getter" around Nurburgring, good choice of sports car." What the hell does that matter? I buy what I like, not what YOU like LOL. An F-Type R is a different kind of car. An NSX is a different type of car. If I'm going to go "driving", those are a HELL of a lot more enjoyable drivers cars than an M5. I don't care that an F90 M5 is faster than a 997 GT3 around a track, because guess what, it will never drive the same way. My new addition does the ring much faster than an F90 M5, but I don't care.. you know why? Because I live in America and will not set foot on the track except once every few years for an hour on a European Delivery. Sorry, I don't care about laptimes on high speed tracks like you do buddy. I'd rather have a drivers car be a weekend car and a comfy grocery getter with a bit of power as my daily. Last edited by GhostyM; 02-07-2019 at 12:44 PM.. Reason: Added track times |
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An M5 is comfy and fast but it's not a looker like an Aston, it's not special like a 997.2 RS around a track, it's just a daily driver. There is no other point to the car. Like literally zero. And there is nothing wrong with that, just like how a Z06 is a weekend and track car, it can be daily driven but it's not really GOOD for it like a M5 may be. Then I said "Why not both and get a GT3 because you get BOTH" in regards to performance and looks for 120-130k. Reading comprehension is amiss with some people. If we are talking exclusively luxury and speed, there probably isn't a better buy outside of it's E63 competition etc.. but as far as track focused... this is NOT the car for tracks. 99% of F90 M5 owners will NOT see the track and if they do... it's nowhere near as much fun as cars that cost twice as much OR half as much. Think 458/GT3/Miata/S2000/E92 M3 etc.. aka not 4200lb+ luxobarges. Quote:
The reason I brought up a 991.1 GT3 was because I was making a point about wanting both performance AND looks in one package if THAT is what you're looking for if you're going to spend 120k on a car rather than an M5. If we're talking luxury in any of these conversations, these cars are out (because they are NOT comfy). Last edited by GhostyM; 02-07-2019 at 12:36 PM.. |
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Since you seem to intimate people are mi-reading (although my comments were not from your post...but since you brought it up and quoted me:
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02-07-2019, 08:14 PM | #74 |
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Well I won't explain it any further because if you see the post I quote announcing my thoughts, you'll see why I bring up a 991.1 GT3, R8 V10 as well as a Mustang.
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02-07-2019, 09:31 PM | #75 | |
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Neither of the cars you name are luxury cars either. Nor do they have the luxury amenities of - for example - massaging seats (which I use every day). Long distance cruisers in any weather. The Aston is a weekend car. Although it out-GT’s your two GT examples by a mile. Especially on the luxury side. But the Aston comes up short performance wise and isn’t AWD. So it loses out - all round - to the F90 M5. The best all rounder in its class. Which is why people buy it. One car - all tasks. |
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02-07-2019, 11:02 PM | #76 | |
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I was merely explaining what the difference is between form and performance. Form being looks and attention getting to performance being well... performance. And that for 120-130k (check cars.com, 2014-2015 GT3's) you can get a used GT3 with 3-4k miles on them and have best of both worlds.. IF we're strictly talking performance and form. Essentially I'm trying to discern what the M5 is actually suited for, rather than reaching and calling it a "track weapon" like some of the posters are insinuating by quoting lap times. VIR and Ring lap times quite literally mean nothing for the M5. It's literally a dick measuring contest over something 99% of M5 owners won't do. Yes, it's fast around "some" high speed tracks that mostly ignore it's 4200lb frame, but this whole thread was about comparing an Aston Martin to an M5. Obviously they don't compete against each other, but there is no denying that side by side, 95% of people would go for the looker Aston Martin if it was handed on a silver platter. Then performance was brought up, and I simply stated that if performance is a marker, then maybe your best bet is buying a GT3 rather than an M5. As far as the M5 being faster than a 997 GT3, well it's the ring.. and the ring LOVES power. Take a track like Tsukuba or something technical that doesn't have 2 mile long straights, and it's weight quickly becomes something that you notice. For 120k on an M5 you get a high 120's trap comfy daily driver that can be "somewhat" fun on side roads. A great all rounder. But it doesn't hold even a baby sized candle to some of the other cars I've mentioned in regards to feel, noise, etc. As far as pure driving pleasure, the F90 M5 is not that. I'm tempted by a 2017 Turbo S as we speak and I think you owned one at some point so I'm in process of locking down one in a PTS color as we speak funnily enough. Last edited by GhostyM; 02-07-2019 at 11:10 PM.. |
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The marker is BOTH. Performance and function. Form is subjective. The F90 is one of the best all rounders available - the best in my opinion because no other car in its class is as good in performance and function as the F90 M5 (E63S is close - but ride and even performance are slightly less - Audi RS7 is closer in luxury ride - but slower than both the newer E63S and F90 M5). Tesla beats the F90 in straight line performance - but isn't close in road course capability (although neither is a track car). My F90 CP was raced on a small local road course and produced a time slightly better than a 6th gen Camaro SS 1LE and almost in the range of a C7 GS - while having crap tires. SO - that is something for a 4300 lb car. I won't track it - but it can track. Half a tenth to a full tenth and 1 MPH off a 991.2 Turbo in the 1/4 mile. And massaging seats and what I drive in the winter. One car ownership - none of the cars you stated are favourably comparable. All round. I am a fan of the 991.2 Turbo S - and think it is the best performance all rounder in the world. Stock for stock. It is almost the quickest, as quick around the track as the GT3RS (991.1 to 991.1 at least) - and has excellent luxury and GT comfort compared to its rivals. MOdding path - even at tune and bolt on is very solid. I hope to be in one soon... |
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I've said as much in other posts; I think my 991.2 Turbo is the best stock all-rounder GT Car. I tracked my F10 M5 maybe 30+ times. I've tracked my turbo more then that. I'm quicker around the tracks I frequent (Road America, ABCC, Road Atlanta to name a few) in the Turbo.
Funny thing is, both the M5 and the Turbo are understated IMO. Both are very fast versions of "lesser" models in the range and to joe public, they couldn't tell either were special models. Which brings me to the AM. IMO, Everyone would consider any AM a special car. Thus its appeal. For me personally, if im driving a car that "looks" fast, it better be fast. And fast by today's standards if its a late model car. Thus while I appreciate the AM styling, I'll pick performance over looks. And I realize that is completely subject perspective. 😎 |
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Maybe one day - but for now - the Porsche fan in me - and the all round decathlete as Vic put it - one of the quickest and fastest cars out there (10.5 - 10.7 at 129-131 MPH) - consistently - and 205 MPH with the same road course capabilities as the GT3RS (at least 991.1 to 991.1) - while being a true GT car with refinement, luxury and long distance potential - makes it the overall winner. Which is why I am looking into this seriously. |
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But... the performance is so shocking that it has piqued my interest no matter how much the car is "look at me" or high maintenance.
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Then the 780S which replaces the 720S, then the 825LT all within 2 years
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One in a series of shitshows ...
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