M4 GTS did 07:27:88 (lap time on the Nurburgring)

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by EfEightyM3

This is correct. You can bet the sport auto time will be much slower.

You either compare manufacturer times, in this instance 7:25 for a the GT3 (or 7:20 on the GT3 RS) and 7:28 for the M4 GTS or wait until the sport auto lap of the m4 GTS is done which will likely be around 10 seconds slower than the bmw driver time.
I would be interested to see a dyno of the m4 GTS given I'm guessing since the m3/4 are so underrated those must be making upwards of 500 whp (or closing in on 600 crank hp).

Don't base the "underrated" claim on Dynojet whp measurements where SAE or STD correction has been applied...

More on the dyno issues with modern turbo engines here:
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1206686

[Boss330]

"Clean" video without comments:

[Powaup]

that was so intense, if only they made the car more visually appealing (wheels)

[Bdh821]

My C6Z06 with Z07 ultimate performance package did 7:22.68 back in 2012... I'm not impressed....

[FilipMPower]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

If they do it like on the 918

If they do it like on the NSX

True, if Porsche can do it, then BMW can too.

But what do you mean with the NSX? I know that a new hybrid nsx should be released. Has it already been driven or released?

[MCarsFan]

Originally Posted by Boss330

"Clean" video without comments:

Impressive to watch. 275km/h is no joke. Thanks for that. Irrespective of how it performs versus other cars, the car looks like it's been engineered with passion and it makes me feel proud to be a BMW driver.

[s0ul]

Awesome video!

Like the commentor says, "Trust the car, understand the car, believe in the car"

[Pparana]

Originally Posted by Bdh821

My C6Z06 with Z07 ultimate performance package did 7:22.68 back in 2012... I'm not impressed....

Apples to oranges, you have a plexiglass hood so everyone can see the awesome engine cover. Good for at least 8 seconds.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

Exactly.

It won't be an issue in 2016 anyway as the 'Ring is currently being worked on and the sections where the speed limits are in force right now are being upgraded and modernised.

Of course it is likely that this will mean the 'Ring will be faster because less bumpy and better road surface. Which in itself can make past lap times more difficult to compare.

Yeah... the 'Ring will be "different this next year...


Nürburgring repaving & ticket prices going Up!...
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...9&page=1&pp=22

[Tom (Atl)]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Look at the video closely, the timing starts at the "old pit out" and ends at the white line just before the pits. It is not a complete 20.8km lap of the Nordschleife since the ~200m length of the "pits" is not timed. IIRC, this is the 20.6km Sport Auto lap (see below).

Exactly correct, I was going to post this info myself until I saw you posted it.

He shifts from 5th to 6th gear at 6900 RPM. Interesting! I guess the extra revs aren't useful for faster lap times.

[BMW M4 PWR]

Originally Posted by Bdh821

My C6Z06 with Z07 ultimate performance package did 7:22.68 back in 2012... I'm not impressed....

Apples vs Oranges dude... you're comparing a grand touring 4-seat luxury coupe with a track package retro fitted to it... to a 2-seat sportscar which was conceived to be a purpose built track rat (the Z06). The Z06 has literally a different chassis off an assembly line dedicated only to IT. The C6Z06 Z07 is an even more extreme track package of an already pure breed purpose built track car lol. It's basically a 2-seat racecar, for the street... The fact that the GTS is essentially an M4 (luxury 4 seat coupe/sedan) with coil-overs and a few bolt-ons doing Ferrari 458-matching and Carrera GT-beating ring times! Is outstanding and a testament to how world-class and capable its chassis is...

ps: I'd love to see AMG make a 'black' edition of the C63s coupe and see what 'time' that boat does on the ring... but something tells me Mercedes would never even try posting THAT endeavor after the GTS's ring time... it would only hurt their sales/marketing lol

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by Tom (Atl)

Exactly correct, I was going to post this info myself until I saw you posted it.

He shifts from 5th to 6th gear at 6900 RPM. Interesting! I guess the extra revs aren't useful for faster lap times.

I normally shift on track at 7000 or below as running to 7600 offers no gain that I can see on the telemetry.The S55 has a pretty flat powercurve.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by FilipMPower

True, if Porsche can do it, then BMW can too.

But what do you mean with the NSX? I know that a new hybrid nsx should be released. Has it already been driven or released?

Sorry

[tallshortguy]

Originally Posted by cc3

Well appears you don't like my comments so you refer to it as bitchin and moanin. There's me thinking Canada is all for free speech. Clearly only as long as everyone agrees with you !

No he called it bitching and moaning because you make unsubstantiated inferences that BMW modified the car out of production spec so it's not actually as fast as the video.

I believe BMW already said the car they used is final production spec.

Unless you're referring to some other definition of free speech we don't know about, him calling what you said something you don't like in no way infringes on or infers he believes you don't have the right to say it. He never said you weren't allowed to post so I'm not sure where he said you're not allowed to say what you said.

Besides that, this is a private forum so in actuality free speech laws don't apply and the forum owner decides what can and can't be said.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Looks like some interesting gear in there...

[jadehuntington96]

I'm going to cry, I guessed 7:27:89...

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

Yeah... the 'Ring will be "different this next year...


Nürburgring repaving & ticket prices going Up!...
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...9&page=1&pp=22

Attachment 1335933

Oh wow, they are going to completely nullify earlier times like what happened at VIR with Lightening Laps results. VIR is much quicker after the resurfacing.

[cc3]

Originally Posted by tallshortguy

No he called it bitching and moaning because you make unsubstantiated inferences that BMW modified the car out of production spec so it's not actually as fast as the video.

I believe BMW already said the car they used is final production spec.

Unless you're referring to some other definition of free speech we don't know about, him calling what you said something you don't like in no way infringes on or infers he believes you don't have the right to say it. He never said you weren't allowed to post so I'm not sure where he said you're not allowed to say what you said.

Besides that, this is a private forum so in actuality free speech laws don't apply and the forum owner decides what can and can't be said.

Nothing wrong with asking questions about marketing hype it's not bitchin just common sense. Manufacturers been up to tweaking things for publicity for years. Jaguar claimed first etype did 150 mph but nobody could replicate the figure. Journalists subsequently said Jaguar had installed a special blueprinted engine for the test. Manufacturers make marketing claims about emissions, mpg, lap times 0-60 etc etc but these are often found to be suspect.

So reasonable to question claims and not get too hung up on them being 1 or 2 seconds quicker or slower than some other car

[Smiley913]

Originally Posted by BMW M4 PWR

Apples vs Oranges dude... you're comparing a grand touring 4-seat luxury coupe with a track package retro fitted to it... to a 2-seat sportscar which was conceived to be a purpose built track rat (the Z06). The Z06 has literally a different chassis off an assembly line dedicated only to IT. The C6Z06 Z07 is an even more extreme track package of an already pure breed purpose built track car lol. It's basically a 2-seat racecar, for the street... The fact that the GTS is essentially an M4 (luxury 4 seat coupe/sedan) with coil-overs and a few bolt-ons doing Ferrari 458-matching and Carrera GT-beating ring times! Is outstanding and a testament to how world-class and capable its chassis is...

ps: I'd love to see AMG make a 'black' edition of the C63s coupe and see what 'time' that boat does on the ring... but something tells me Mercedes would never even try posting THAT endeavor after the GTS's ring time... it would only hurt their sales/marketing lol

I would say the M4 GTS is more of a dedicated track car.

[BMW M4 PWR]

Originally Posted by Smiley913

I would say the M4 GTS is more of a dedicated track car.

Over a C6 Z06 WITH Z07 package!? lol.. not a chance* PS: that's why BMW is coming out with the M4 GTS "CSL" which is going to be a hardcorer version of the GTS & platform basically...

M4 is equivalent to the C7 Vette

M4 GTS is equivalent to a Z06 edition vette

M4 GTS "CSL" will be equivalent Z06 with "Z07 ultimate track package"

...of course these equivalencies^^ I speak are relative to how hardcore they were intended to be relative to their OWN model line up by the manufacturer


By the way, its been out forever, whats the best ring time for the new C7 Z06? A 620+HP racecar for the street basically...

[See5]

Originally Posted by BMW M4 PWR

Over a C6 Z06 WITH Z07 package!? lol.. not a chance* PS: that's why BMW is coming out with the M4 GTS "CSL" which is going to be a hardcorer version of the GTS & platform basically...

M4 is equivalent to the C7 Vette

M4 GTS is equivalent to a Z06 edition vette

M4 GTS "CSL" will be equivalent Z06 with "Z07 ultimate track package"

...of course these equivalencies^^ I speak are relative to how hardcore they were intended to be relative to their OWN model line up by the manufacturer


By the way, its been out forever, whats the best ring time for the new C7 Z06? A 620+HP racecar for the street basically...

The Z07 package included carbon ceramics, PTM, front splitter, small rear spoiler and Sport Cups. That's it.

Nothing very hardcore about it in my opinion. I can see what you're saying about being relative but objectively, it's changes were not nearly as extensive as today's Z07 package in terms of aero and suspension or even close to the GTS's improvements over the regular M4.

I think the Mustang GT350R is the closest comparison to this car.

[BMW M4 PWR]

Originally Posted by See5

The Z07 package included carbon ceramics, PTM, front splitter, small rear spoiler and Sport Cups. That's it.

I think the Mustang GT350R is the closest comparison to this car.

Brotha, those track tires and huge ZR1 carbon ceramics braking system are VERY significant mods you just brush over lol ...and the entire suspension system on the Z07 is different, it has one of the industry's most sophisticated EDC dampers, and GM's newer stability control system (both innovated for the ZR1) which allows the driver to literally floor it and the DSC will give you perfect throttle modulation coming out of the corner. The standard Z06 has neither of these, which is why it laps the ring not even close to the Z07 package.

*And the GT350R, as nice as it is (and I like that car very much), it isn't even in the same league as the M4 GTS in terms of road course lap times performance... GTS = 7:27.8 vs GT350r = 7:35 (an eternity at race speeds) ...excellent for a pony car* But out of its league compared to these $100K supercars... (ps: the C6Z06 Z07 was nearly $100K new )