[infamousq]

Originally Posted by angel486

What about 7 series? 2020 7 series has laser light option, BMW take it out for 2021 MY.

The 7 series has the same set up as the 3 and 8. The 5 series has the new Gen laserlights.

[angel486]

Originally Posted by infamousq

The 7 series has the same set up as the 3 and 8. The 5 series has the new Gen laserlights.

The 2021 7 not getting laser light in US.

[hova00]

Finally picked it up. Kinda bitter sweet since I traded my GT350R.

[walt814]

Originally Posted by hova00

Finally picked it up. Kinda bitter sweet since I traded my GT350R.

That spec looks great! Noticed you even went with the black calipers if my eyes aren't wrong

[walt814]

Originally Posted by jstein55

I agree, it is not a bad design to be based off of, as its very clean and handsome, the issue is that the G30 has been dated since its release, it doesn't really look fresh or new since its pretty similar to the F10 which is now a decade old. Time for a new design I think.

Personally, I believe that the design of the previous generation was spot on, but I also believe that this one was done right. That goes for both pre-LCI and the LCI. It's one of those things where if something is broken then it may just be better to not fix it. The design language does feel outdated, but I don't find it to be purely bad. It just goes to show how great the last generation was. I have a 21 on order right now, but coming from a few AMG's in the past, just changing the designs for the sake of changing them isn't always a good thing. Some cars look great and a step up, but others will feel like a pure downgrade to others. That's why Porsche hardly changes how the 911 looks from generation to generation. It just works.

It's all personal opinion at the end of the day, and I respect how anyone may feel, but there is no denying that all these cars look classy and look like they're worth their price tag. And there is no doubt that all of these cars are fun and enjoyable, and as long as they feel like that, we get our money's worth

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by weingarm

Actually, I was wrong about the above. Here is the exact reason the laser headlight in the 8 series (and by inference the 3 series/X5/X6/X7) are USA DOT legal but the laser headlight in the 5 series is not:

"US market M8: the Laser SHB (Supplementary High Beam) is incorporated together with the LED High Beam, and does not add to the total number of light emitting devices. By definition under FMVSS 108, these combination headlamps do not exceed the permissible maximum of 2 forward light emitting devices per side.

On the G30/F90 LCI, it's an independent multi-function dynamic lighting module in addition to the two LED projectors, making a total of 3 forward light emitting devices per side and thus, non-compliant."

I don't get how that's the case when US-spec Acuras has "Jewel" headlights with multi diodes makeup. Can you please site the law..

[Luminor513]

Originally Posted by hova00

Finally picked it up. Kinda bitter sweet since I traded my GT350R.

That's looks great!! Enjoy your new M5

[Njbmw17]

Originally Posted by hova00

Finally picked it up. Kinda bitter sweet since I traded my GT350R.

Nice color!

[rantidine]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I don't get how that's the case when US-spec Acuras has "Jewel" headlights with multi diodes makeup. Can you please site the law..

thats kind of confusing as shit. a lot of vehicles have single headlight units with multiple LED projectors. porsche, mercedes, even hyundai..

[vladberca]

Originally Posted by hova00

Finally picked it up. Kinda bitter sweet since I traded my GT350R.

Lovely colour! Happy driving and congrats! 👍

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by GhostOne_322

Just let me know when the LCI taillights are available for conversion to the 2020 M5C. That's the only nice upgrade I see.

I've noticed the VW Atlas and GTI with the same headlights as the LCI M5. Not to mention a few Jaguars... Go ahead now and convince yourself that doesn't bother you - in the dark, you look like a VW Atlas / GTI or Jaguar...

Yeah I just want the tail light conversion as well. I tried to like the Lci headlights but I just don't like it. However, I did see someone do the tail light conversion on Instagram and it looked really good. I messaged them for how it was done but got no answer. If you find out information about doing the tail light conversion please let me know. -Phoenix

[Hammer91]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I don't get how that's the case when US-spec Acuras has "Jewel" headlights with multi diodes makeup. Can you please site the law..

Well I do not understand most of this, but the explanation I was given when trying to order Laser lights on my 2021 build were that the issue was lumen s of light over distance. DOT limits brightness, and the US BMW's with laser lights were detuned to only give off the same brightness at a certain distance as the LED's. It was too expensive to keep producing detuned laser lights for the US market with no increase in performance of the lights, in addition to coding away all the expensive intelligent light management available in all other markets. This is why I was told they were phasing out laser lights for ALL BMW's in the future. They are very expensive compared to LED to produce and because of US DOT have no significant performance increase. Any one else hear anything on this??

[walt814]

Originally Posted by Hammer91

Well I do not understand most of this, but the explanation I was given when trying to order Laser lights on my 2021 build were that the issue was lumen s of light over distance. DOT limits brightness, and the US BMW's with laser lights were detuned to only give off the same brightness at a certain distance as the LED's. It was too expensive to keep producing detuned laser lights for the US market with no increase in performance of the lights, in addition to coding away all the expensive intelligent light management available in all other markets. This is why I was told they were phasing out laser lights for ALL BMW's in the future. They are very expensive compared to LED to produce and because of US DOT have no significant performance increase. Any one else hear anything on this??

Honestly, I just find many of these US laws and regulations either stupid or outdated, or maybe even both

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Hammer91

Well I do not understand most of this, but the explanation I was given when trying to order Laser lights on my 2021 build were that the issue was lumen s of light over distance. DOT limits brightness, and the US BMW's with laser lights were detuned to only give off the same brightness at a certain distance as the LED's. It was too expensive to keep producing detuned laser lights for the US market with no increase in performance of the lights, in addition to coding away all the expensive intelligent light management available in all other markets. This is why I was told they were phasing out laser lights for ALL BMW's in the future. They are very expensive compared to LED to produce and because of US DOT have no significant performance increase. Any one else hear anything on this??

Thanks for your input and there is some credence to what you where told but from the way I read it, it seems that they were on the edge of getting adaptive laser lights approved, where the high and low beam operates on a continuum, being possible since the systems use cameras and other sensors to scan the road ahead, looking for both headlights and taillights. When other vehicles are too close, the adaptive lights reshapes or blocks out part of the light beam to prevent glare.

Approval for ADB was a prerequisite to having full laser lights approved here in North America but due to the previous government shutdown(s) and now for the pandemic, the approval process was halted until later on this year.

Since "laser" lights are also classified as a medical device, this creates more bureaucratic red-tape, since it also has to get a sign off from two separate regulatory bodies; the Food and Drug Administration & the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. Now being that both agencies are working on a limited basis, there is backlog of operations between the two.

Full Laser laser (both high & low beam) will eventually get here to the US but as of right now, the approval process is in limbo, so BMW can't offer it until they get the green light.


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[infamousq]

Originally Posted by walt814

Honestly, I just find many of these US laws and regulations either stupid or outdated, or maybe even both

Correct the laws where passed in the 70's and the senators who passed them are still in office...

[dappercivility]

Originally Posted by wanesso

Doesn't look that different, still just a bmw sedan and too far under the radar for the price....

Think majority of the monies you spent on resides under the hood. It's a subtle super sedan for people whom like the practicality of a sedan plus remain subtle and hover under the radar.

If you like to be loud, for M5 money and maybe abit more can get something fast, loud and or a higher brand tier.

[MikeStammer]

Originally Posted by dappercivility

Think majority of the monies you spent on resides under the hood. It's a subtle super sedan for people whom like the practicality of a sedan plus remain subtle and hover under the radar.

If you like to be loud, for M5 money and maybe abit more can get something fast, loud and or a higher brand tier.

QFT

[dardeca]

Originally Posted by hova00

Finally picked it up. Kinda bitter sweet since I traded my GT350R.

What color is that? Montegi Red?

[hova00]

Originally Posted by dardeca

What color is that? Montegi Red?

Yes it is Motegi Red

[dardeca]

Originally Posted by hova00

Yes it is Motegi Red

Looks really good on the M5! Well done.

[hova00]

Originally Posted by dardeca

Looks really good on the M5! Well done.

Thanks!!😎

[Michael19887]

Can anyone who has driven the LCI comp yet comment on the ride, and if the improvements are noticeable on rough/city roads in daily use? Also, the promo videos show there are now two settings for steering rather than three - comfort and sport. Is that the case? If so, is sport closer to the old sport or sport+? Thanks