[E90M3JETS]

Awesome. Make it with 4 doors please

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Revcrazy

A car that small weighing 3500 plus pounds and having a higher center of gravity doesn't make for nimble. It may feel a certain way due to a short wheelbase but won't have the stability. The 1M was a car that had snap oversteer on power and was not easy to control at the limit.
I don't see the M2 being anything truly raw. You want raw and scalpel like precision and fun to drive, there won't be anything even close to the GT4.

Except the obvious Porsche plug... i agree spot on with your assesment... anyone that has had a 1 and 3 series would say the same.

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Except the obvious Porsche plug... i agree spot on with your assessment... anyone that has had a 1 and 3 series would say the same.

I don't understand why everyone expects ANY BMW to be ANYTHING like ANY Porsche. They are not comparable cars, they do not try to be. I didn't say the M2 would be the next Lotus Elise. But it makes sense that the M2 will be the most nimble and raw car that M Gmbh produces.

The 1M had those issues because it was thrown together hastily and compromises were made to fit the M3 suspension under the 1 series chassis. Snap oversteer and subjective behavior at the limit are not inherent to the 1M's weight or CG height at all. Rather, they are a function of the complex kinematics of the suspension geometry, tire properties, and steering and damper calibration. These are the exact things that had to be compromised to built the 1M. I would expect the M2 to be much better in these regards.

Further, the same question can be asked of ANY model in ANY range. Cayman S vs. GTS vs. CT4? CLA45 and C63? S3 vs S4? BMW makes different cars for different price points and different customers. If you don't see the point of the M2 when the M3 is only $10k more, then guess what? That's exactly the point! Plenty of other people don't see the point of spending an extra $10K on the M3 when the M2 is nearly as fast and probably handles better.

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by WWM3

A lack of S motor and CF roof don't really tell you how the car will drive. We still don't know that. We still don't know a lot of things about this car.

Some auto journalists felt the 1M was more fun to drive than the E9X and it didn't have an S motor or CF roof. More "raw" because of its size and weight. That could very well happen again.

Exactly. 10-12lbs compared to a steel roof in the grand scheme of the car's character. It's all about how the car is tuned. The M3 and M4 have to have a little bit of civility and practicality given their size and position in the market. The M2 can afford to have even less sound deadening, stickier tires, and stiffer tuned suspension. The exhaust can be louder. Everything they learned on the M3 will be carried over and evolved further.

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by ASAP

And none of this makes a difference if there isnt a significant weight difference. The car may feel smaller but coming from somone who has a 1 and has had 2 3s... the longer is chassis is if anything more stable and better for tracking. Like I said, massive weight reduction otherwise think twice.

No, for track duty, a short wheel base is better. The difference between a 1 and 3 comes down to much more than wheelbase.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Racer20

I don't understand why everyone expects ANY BMW to be ANYTHING like ANY Porsche. They are not comparable cars, they do not try to be. I didn't say the M2 would be the next Lotus Elise. But it makes sense that the M2 will be the most nimble and raw car that M Gmbh produces.

The 1M had those issues because it was thrown together hastily and compromises were made to fit the M3 suspension under the 1 series chassis. Snap oversteer and subjective behavior at the limit are not inherent to the 1M's weight or CG height at all. Rather, they are a function of the complex kinematics of the suspension geometry, tire properties, and steering and damper calibration. These are the exact things that had to be compromised to built the 1M. I would expect the M2 to be much better in these regards.

Regardless of what people say, this car should be fun to drive as any M car is, or well, just this car and the M3/4. Forget the huge ones haha.

And regarding snap oversteer - there is NO such thing as snap oversteer if you know how to predict what the car is doing and correct it - even if you are late you should be able to correct it. Then there are times where you just failed. That's how I see it lol. It's an overused terminology everyone likes to throw into conversation.

Just put a tune and get some proper suspension and this thing will haul some serious ass.

[autopal]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

car will be really cool. i'm fan based on this video however accurate or inaccurate it may be. the sound reminds me of a toned own GTR but maybe i'm mis-remembering. i think it does sound better than the M3/M4. at normal/moderate speeds the M3 is so-so. at high RPMs ripping around the track, i thought it sounded quite nice and i had the GoPro external mic near the exhuast, not by the speaker

that said - i didn't buy the M3 for the freakin' exhaust sound, it's incredible in so many ways. i think the M2 is promising and as long as it's slightly better than the m235i it'll be worth the extra cash. wider hips, more power, better suspension, much sportier and more aggressive looking both inside and out. nice. i'd order one if i could wait a year+... i don't think i want one of the first ones to come out off the assembly line...

LOL!! Whenever I hear someone say they didn't buy the M3 for the exhaust sound, it just emphasize how disappointed they are that the car didn't sound better. The fact is, the M3 is a fantastic driving machine, just imagine how much more desirable it would have been if BMW had put more effort in making the damn car sound proper. It's probably the only high performance car that have at least half of its fans complain about the sound

[bubsterino]

Originally Posted by E90M3JETS

Awesome. Make it with 4 doors please

eww. no.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by autopal

LOL!! Whenever I hear someone say they didn't buy the M3 for the exhaust sound, it just emphasize how disappointed they are that the car didn't sound better. The fact is, the M3 is a fantastic driving machine, just imagine how much more desirable it would have been if BMW had put more effort in making the damn car sound proper. It's probably the only high performance car that have at least half of its fans complain about the sound

I bought my M3 for the exhaust sound :P

Edit: Don't take this seriously pleeeease! I'm just poking fun

[duk]

does it have CF roof??

[shatty]

Where are the renderings??? Isnt this the first sighting with the bumper?! Also I think I can make out in one of the shots, the same fender type as the m3/m4 with the air outlet. Sorry if I am saying redundant things cause Im too lazy to read thru 5 pages of comments. And it looks fast as hell coming thru and off those corners!!!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by duk

does it have CF roof??

No sir....

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by bubsterino

eww. no.

I disagree - a M2 GC or 1M Estate would be awesome in my opinion. The F80 looks better in pictures and in person, compared to the F82 from my point of view - you might get the same effect here, but it would be fun to debate.

Gotta remember that the 2er is very close to the E46, dimensionally speaking - and that was one car that looked great (IMO) as a four door. Great option for people who want the utility of a four door, but in a smaller than F80 package.

[shatty]

THIINKING....M2 with JB and E85...i think i just came in my shorts....

[vantagesc]

Originally Posted by socal TW

Regardless of what people say, this car should be fun to drive as any M car is, or well, just this car and the M3/4. Forget the huge ones haha.

And regarding snap oversteer - there is NO such thing as snap oversteer if you know how to predict what the car is doing and correct it - even if you are late you should be able to correct it. Then there are times where you just failed. That's how I see it lol. It's an overused terminology everyone likes to throw into conversation.

Just put a tune and get some proper suspension and this thing will haul some serious ass.

Well even Walter Rohl, legendary rally driver, points out that turbo engines can affect where he he is able to place a car at the limit by as much as a few feet. The Stig crashed the 1M attempting to turn a hot lap. It's the lag and sudden over boost.

I understand what you are saying if you're talking about keeping the car under the limit and controlling it that way. But if trying to extract a lap time there are limitations to such a setup.

[M3 Number 86]

it looks a little softer than I would like. I wish there was an upgraded track focused suspension package you could order. That would be dope.

[loxxrider]

Originally Posted by abp689

So I assume the larger turbo/inter cooler on the s55 attenuates more of the exhaust sound, as compared to the n55 which is why the 2 has a slightly deeper bark?

You could put as big of an intercooler as you want on an engine and it won't affect the exhaust sound. There is no reason it would. Turbo size is not a factor either. The difference in sound is most likely either because of cams/head differences and/or exhaust manifold and exhaust configuration (think exhaust pulse ordering and separation).

[Baltic_M2]

Another, even better video!

[Falafel Combo]

I think it looks awesome! If I didn't need the 2 extra doors, I would be all over this. In blue for sure, and 6MT!

Must admit though, the f80 M3 looks SO MUCH better, from a pure design perspective. I know this is purely subjective. I personally prefer the modern BMW connected grill, 3-D LED headlights, CF roof, better proportions and aero package. The M3 just looks the part. Also, from what I'm reading the M2 is not getting the full M treatment. I hope the reveal is much better than the renders and we get more M parts, similar to the f80. It seems that they are still treating this as a "little brother" car, and not a full fledged M car.

And the front end is really looking long in the tooth. I don't know why BMW likes to keep the 1 and 2 series quirky looking like this. Maybe it appeals more to younger buyers?

But putting that aside, it will be a phenomenal driver's car in my prediction. MUCH better than the 1M. The M235i is already a great launching platform for this car (and already superior to the 1M in many ways), and it looks like the M engineers did an awesome job with the M2! I am also SO FREAKIN HAPPY they kept the N55. What a historic and legacy BMW inline 6 this has become. And rightfully so!

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by vantagesc

Well even Walter Rohl, legendary rally driver, points out that turbo engines can affect where he he is able to place a car at the limit by as much as a few feet. The Stig crashed the 1M attempting to turn a hot lap. It's the lag and sudden over boost.

I understand what you are saying if you're talking about keeping the car under the limit and controlling it that way. But if trying to extract a lap time there are limitations to such a setup.

link to that story about the stig? have never seen or heard that.

was that before or after Top Gear's Hammond and Clarkson voted the 1M Car Of the Year in 2011?

to debunk a little mythology; I daily drive my 1M 130 miles through sun, rain, snow and whatever every single day and find it utterly composed....does it want to throw it's tail out when you get on it HARD? yes....is that part of the fun? YES massively.....is it easy to control? IMO yes. Do you have to be paying attention? yes....this is not your mama's 328i!

The M2 will be a great car....and for your sakes I do hope it feels like the 1M because the 1M is still the most fun road car I've ever driven. It is madness. Don't worry about Porsches, CF roofs, micro details.....just hope the overall package is solid and enjoy it!

[Reid]

Originally Posted by ASAP

the longer is chassis is if anything more stable and better for tracking

longer wheelbase = slower to rotate = not as good for tracking

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by vantagesc

The Stig crashed the 1M attempting to turn a hot lap. It's the lag and sudden over boost.

Originally Posted by IEDEI

link to that story about the stig? have never seen or heard that.
was that before or after Top Gear's Hammond and Clarkson voted the 1M Car Of the Year in 2011?

Yup, remember that. The Stig drove the 1M on a damp track (drizzle).

Here you can see it again (part [3] - 05:36-06:26).

Explanation: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=573623