[WWM3]

Originally Posted by aajami

I thought the entire chassis was from the M4? Full front and rear suspension + diff.

Yes.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

You do realize that this has the M4's rear suspension in it, right?

Originally Posted by WWM3

lol. Those are some inaccurate assumptions.

May I kindly ask what the buying proposition of this vehicle will be? Assuming deliveries come early next year... and the M4 is at a 10K discount or you can buy one new on Euro del for $59K...

The weight difference between this and the M3 / M4 will be minimal... BMW will not and has not disappointed in that department yet :lol So for a few K less you are getting a far subpar motor to the S55 and losing 80hp... for what? A smaller car? This thing will not beat an M3 / M4 anywhere except maybe an autox or insanely tight tracks... anyone who believes otherwise is ludicrous.

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by ASAP

May I kindly ask what the buying proposition of this vehicle will be? Assuming deliveries come early next year... and the M4 is at a 10K discount or you can buy one new on Euro del for $59K...

The weight difference between this and the M3 / M4 will be minimal... BMW will not and has not disappointed in that department yet :lol So for a few K less you are getting a far subpar motor to the S55 and losing 80hp... for what? A smaller car? This thing will not beat an M3 / M4 anywhere except maybe an autox or insanely tight tracks... anyone who believes otherwise is ludicrous.

I would prefer it for its size, but size isn't just a metric, it has a definite impact on how a car drives and feels. Even though the M2 may not actually weigh less than the M3/4 I believe many of us following the car hope the M division delivers on making this car feel nimble and fun. Not all of us are going to the track. Some of us want a fun, torquey, nimble beast for a DD. Atleast that's my perspective. If it ends up that BMW screws up the feel of this car (which I personally doubt), then you are right. There is more value in the M3/4, especially if you do ED or get a decent discount.

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by ASAP

May I kindly ask what the buying proposition of this vehicle will be? Assuming deliveries come early next year... and the M4 is at a 10K discount or you can buy one new on Euro del for $59K...

The weight difference between this and the M3 / M4 will be minimal... BMW will not and has not disappointed in that department yet :lol So for a few K less you are getting a far subpar motor to the S55 and losing 80hp... for what? A smaller car? This thing will not beat an M3 / M4 anywhere except maybe an autox or insanely tight tracks... anyone who believes otherwise is ludicrous.

Smaller, cheaper car, more nimble, most likely tuned to be the most hardcore M model since it does not have to be the "all things to all people" model in the range.

It may not be outright faster on most tracks, because the M3 is still considered to be the flagship, but the M2 can be the most raw, the most agile, and the most fun to drive.

I expect that the M2 will be a blast to drive.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by aajami

I thought the entire chassis was from the M4? Full front and rear suspension + diff.

I thought it was suspension, brakes, sub frames, diff, drive shaft, and tranny(s). Just different motor.

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[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Racer20

Smaller, cheaper car, more nimble, most likely tuned to be the most hardcore M model since it does not have to be the "all things to all people" model in the range.

It may not be outright faster on most tracks, because the M3 is still considered to be the flagship, but the M2 can be the most raw, the most agile, and the most fun to drive.

I expect that the M2 will be a blast to drive.

And none of this makes a difference if there isnt a significant weight difference. The car may feel smaller but coming from somone who has a 1 and has had 2 3s... the longer is chassis is if anything more stable and better for tracking. Like I said, massive weight reduction otherwise think twice.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by abirmaher

I'll tell you one thing. That most defiantly sounds like an N55, which sounds significantly better than the engines in the m3/4. :-p

That is correct. I have no idea how BMW missed so badly on the M3/4 sound. It's almost embarrassing.

[RingMeister01]

Originally Posted by Racer20

Smaller, cheaper car, more nimble, most likely tuned to be the most hardcore M model since it does not have to be the "all things to all people" model in the range.

It may not be outright faster on most tracks, because the M3 is still considered to be the flagship, but the M2 can be the most raw, the most agile, and the most fun to drive.

I expect that the M2 will be a blast to drive.

No S motor, no carbon roof and you're predicting it'll be the most hardcore? Probably not.

M2 could very well be an entry level M while BMW pushes the M3/4 further up market and satisfying hardcore enthusiasts with a GTS line.

[Revcrazy]

Originally Posted by Racer20

Smaller, cheaper car, more nimble, most likely tuned to be the most hardcore M model since it does not have to be the "all things to all people" model in the range.

It may not be outright faster on most tracks, because the M3 is still considered to be the flagship, but the M2 can be the most raw, the most agile, and the most fun to drive.

I expect that the M2 will be a blast to drive.

A car that small weighing 3500 plus pounds and having a higher center of gravity doesn't make for nimble. It may feel a certain way due to a short wheelbase but won't have the stability. The 1M was a car that had snap oversteer on power and was not easy to control at the limit.
I don't see the M2 being anything truly raw. You want raw and scalpel like precision and fun to drive, there won't be anything even close to the GT4.

[Revcrazy]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

That is correct. I have no idea how BMW missed so badly on the M3/4 sound. It's almost embarrassing.

Hence why you have the M performance exhaust.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by Revcrazy

Hence why you have the M performance exhaust.

Louder lawnmower?

[BMW F22]

I wonder, was this video provided to bimmerpost by BMW's marketing team? It can't be a spied video- too smooth and the camera followed the car well.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by Revcrazy

A car that small weighing 3500 plus pounds and having a higher center of gravity doesn't make for nimble. It may feel a certain way due to a short wheelbase but won't have the stability. The 1M was a car that had snap oversteer on power and was not easy to control at the limit.
I don't see the M2 being anything truly raw. You want raw and scalpel like precision and fun to drive, there won't be anything even close to the GT4.

The 1M was also a lot of fun to drive. I think if BMW takes that package and improves it then they have a winner.

[evanescent03]

car will be really cool. i'm fan based on this video however accurate or inaccurate it may be. the sound reminds me of a toned own GTR but maybe i'm mis-remembering. i think it does sound better than the M3/M4. at normal/moderate speeds the M3 is so-so. at high RPMs ripping around the track, i thought it sounded quite nice and i had the GoPro external mic near the exhuast, not by the speaker

that said - i didn't buy the M3 for the freakin' exhaust sound, it's incredible in so many ways. i think the M2 is promising and as long as it's slightly better than the m235i it'll be worth the extra cash. wider hips, more power, better suspension, much sportier and more aggressive looking both inside and out. nice. i'd order one if i could wait a year+... i don't think i want one of the first ones to come out off the assembly line...

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by RingMeister01

No S motor, no carbon roof and you're predicting it'll be the most hardcore? Probably not.

M2 could very well be an entry level M while BMW pushes the M3/4 further up market and satisfying hardcore enthusiasts with a GTS line.

No carbon roof is disappointing. It was one of those things that they said would have been on the 1M if they had more time...it should have been on this car. I am still hoping...the weight is also is too high. The M2 should not be over 3400 lbs.

Everything else will be great IMO. Also, I hope they have bespoke seats.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by RingMeister01

No S motor, no carbon roof and you're predicting it'll be the most hardcore? Probably not.

M2 could very well be an entry level M while BMW pushes the M3/4 further up market and satisfying hardcore enthusiasts with a GTS line.

A lack of S motor and CF roof don't really tell you how the car will drive. We still don't know that. We still don't know a lot of things about this car.

Some auto journalists felt the 1M was more fun to drive than the E9X and it didn't have an S motor or CF roof. More "raw" because of its size and weight. That could very well happen again.

[snaimpally]

M2 is going to be kickass, especially given the smaller size and lighter weight compared to the M3/M4. I'll be interested to see what happens to prices for used M235i when the M2 finally arrives.

[IB M]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

That is correct. I have no idea how BMW missed so badly on the M3/4 sound. It's almost embarrassing.

Agreed. And let's hope the M2 is a pure experience with no active sound.

Has there been any news confirming the presence or absence of fake sound?

M2 is looking good!

[abirmaher]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

That is correct. I have no idea how BMW missed so badly on the M3/4 sound. It's almost embarrassing.

Couldn't agree more, and it doesn't even matter whose exhaust they put on it.

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by challer

If the M2 can get in the 3.9sec range on a 0-60, I might bite. Otherwise, this looks like a quad exhaust with some M Performance options added in when compared to my M235i.

Sigh.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by cSurf

Sigh.

M235i owners are doing anything they can to make it easier for themselves to sleep at night. And sadly it's come down to comparing the most overused statistic.

[abp689]

So I assume the larger turbo/inter cooler on the s55 attenuates more of the exhaust sound, as compared to the n55 which is why the 2 has a slightly deeper bark?