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      06-01-2020, 02:36 PM   #23
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Nothing wrong with sport hybrid power train as long as ICE is somewhat exciting.
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It actually doesn't have much to do with public perceptions. It has mostly to do with ever tightening European Emission Regulations. If you look over at Porsche right now and what they have planned for the future, they have a daunting task ahead of them because they don't have a whole lot of physical room in the chassis of 911's for all this new emissions equipment that'll be required in the future, in which case the only other choice is going full electric. BMW has to deal with the same shit.

Biggest challenge to any future electrified vehicle is weight. They gotta get the weight of the batteries down or else these "sports cars" of the future will turn like a whale. The Porsche Taycan is a laughable 5,100lbs and eats through tires once you put that car in a turn.
Spot on!

This vague but...

Each manufacturer gets evaluated for efficiency so some cars will need to be EV to meet the requirement.

Lucky for me...

I'll be happy to pick up an outdated 2020 M5 in 2022
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at the rate 2020 is going, lets' worry about getting thru the year first before we worry about the 2024 m5..
True dat!
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Mazda does have plans to go Electric...

https://www.mazda.com/en/new-generation/mx-30/
https://youtu.be/Hatav_Rdnno
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I would be interested in the M5 going back to an Inline-6 and adding some sort of electrified setup to the engine. I love the setup in my CLS 53 (Turbo I6 + 48-Volt Mild Hybrid + Electric Supercharger (runs off 48V system)) and it adds a lot of character as well as a great feel in how the power-band works incredibly smoothly (no lag with the supercharger filling in boost where the turbo is still spooling) as well as a seamless stop/start system so I don't have to press the off button every time I enter the car. I imagine Merc will likely use this setup even further on the next generation of the E63S, but I would love to see BMW do something similar. Only issue with the electrification setup like others have mentioned is weight management.
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      06-01-2020, 03:00 PM   #29
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at the rate 2020 is going, lets' worry about getting thru the year first before we worry about the 2024 m5..
Lmao you're so right man. We could soon have alien friends then they'll show us how to make futuristic cars without all this R&D lol
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So,this is future i don't accept...simply as indigo child born in 70's...i wlll never buy electric car...moreover M5 with electric engine is blasphemy..so my advice for BMW...you can put electric engine in any other model,you can even call it M supersport,but if you can understand that people adore manual transmission in M model,is it hard to see that some of us want V8 under the hood...i have a feeling in next 5 years we will be like Mad Max with V8 engine...sorry,but i think near 700 hp that M5 comp now produce is more then enough for all petrol heads...i will always choose "old" V8 with 700 hp vs electric with 3 batteries and over 1000 hp...
So maybe BMW should offer us simple V8,not hybrid!
As times go by,and new information arrive,im more and more convinced that 2019 F90 M5 comp will be keeper in my family till end of the world.
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Hybrid M5 looks cool to me. I'd like to see BMw enter INDYCAR and offer the same V6 hybrid in the M5 personally.

All electric? Sorry not M. Can't do track day then it doesn't belong under the M subrand. i5? Sure whatever .
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I'm on my 4th 100% Electric car in 7 years.

I am very aware of the limitations.

Thanks for the link!
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Yes kind of. Mazda has no real plans for going electric and I think they'll do just fine far more fuel efficient ICE engines than most other companies, although I don't know what their European sales sheet looks like.

It's basically all because of Elon Musk and there last no denying the capability that can be achieved in 1/4 mile and 0-60 times with Electric Cars. But M is changing more to those two measurements of performance because of Elon. For example, we don't see BMW really making M cars that are lighter weight to achieve magnificent Nurburgring lap times anymore, instead what's selling is the notion that electric cars offer less pollution and better everyday usable performance to Joe rich guy who has his choice between a Tesla and a BMW. In that sense, yes perception can matter.

At least we'll get one more generation of a Naturally Aspirated Porsche GT3 before Euro regulations kill everything.

Also forgot to mention Cadillac is at least trying to keep things pure. Soon we'll see a four door sedan with a 650hp Supercharged engine with RWD only and a manual transmission with a weight of maybe under 4,200lbs. It won't have the quality fit, finish, and luxury of a German car but it'll be fun. As I've said before, not everyone wants a soulless 0-60 and 1/4 mile car.
I know what your saying but you are making it more complicated with EV's weight, performance, and etc.

I was more referring to just the stock market, Tesla is worth more than Daimler, BMW, and VW group combined, and all Tesla does is electric cars and barely scraping by. And yet the stock went up another 63 dollar today to almost $900 with a market cap of $166B (BMW is about $38B).

So the current perception is making electric cars is more valuable. Whether or not this should the case is up for another debate. To me it still baffles my mind that Tesla is worth more than German big 3 combined but for now that is the case.

Hence I said I'm not surprised German automakers have to announce or plan more and more electric cars just to show investors and shareholders that they are keeping up with the times.
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M5 and electric in the same sentence......something seems off there. BMW, yes go ahead and make a 1000 hp supercar, just don't call it an M5.
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E39 M5 still wins, not only in the feel department, but definitely sound department as well. At the end of the day BMW just like every other car manufacturer has to follow the ecological, economic and safety standards. An s62 would never survive in 2024. I complained back in 2010 when I got my e60 m5 and then again when I got my F10 M5, but the truth is that I enjoyed every one of them and had fun learning about different aspects and characteristics of each. As far as the feel and overall enjoyment the e39 still wins in my heart, but I will continue to get every one of the new m5 generations.
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E39 M5 still wins, not only in the feel department, but definitely sound department as well. At the end of the day BMW just like every other car manufacturer has to follow the ecological, economic and safety standards. An s62 would never survive in 2024. I complained back in 2010 when I got my e60 m5 and then again when I got my F10 M5, but the truth is that I enjoyed every one of them and had fun learning about different aspects and characteristics of each. As far as the feel and overall enjoyment the e39 still wins in my heart, but I will continue to get every one of the new m5 generations.
It had its quarks but I still miss my E60 M5. I would love to see the M5 CS have a KERS type system. I think what the new generation M5s are missing is something unique. I guess thatís what I appreciated about the E60. Unique V10 and SMG3. It was certainly a love/hate relationship but it was unique and fun.
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M5 should be S58 with electric boost
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That will be more likely the next M3.
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Would love to have a modded 750hp hybrid m5! Maybe tuned and piped could get closer to 850hp. With the massive torque hit from the electric motors, sounds like fun to me.
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The first model year or two will be a maintenance nightmare as mechanics learn a totally alien power train and try to debug issues that will certainly pop up.

Start saving for Tires and Coal.....you'll need both for the electric M5.

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Yah, fully electric anything ///M is unfortunate.
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It actually doesn't have much to do with public perceptions. It has mostly to do with ever tightening European Emission Regulations. If you look over at Porsche right now and what they have planned for the future, they have a daunting task ahead of them because they don't have a whole lot of physical room in the chassis of 911's for all this new emissions equipment that'll be required in the future, in which case the only other choice is going full electric. BMW has to deal with the same shit.

Biggest challenge to any future electrified vehicle is weight. They gotta get the weight of the batteries down or else these "sports cars" of the future will turn like a whale. The Porsche Taycan is a laughable 5,100lbs and eats through tires once you put that car in a turn.
I think I remember the video with the Taycan and M5 on track, and the Taycan tires were *crying* on every turn lol
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No thanks. I don't need more power. Just make it lighter, please! Save the electricity for the non-M cars. Nobody needs this much power. We have already reached the point where you can only step on the throttle for 4 seconds at a time before going to jail or flying off a mountain. I just got back from a spirited drive on empty mountain roads and my "base" 2018 M5 easily gets up to 110 mph on 40mph switchbacks! This is insanse and plenty to get my adrenaline pumping.
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