[lhoboy8]

Originally Posted by mc68386

I used to think that we could get the real scoop on these boards, but now I'm not so sure. There wasn't a single mention on here about the possibility of a September update that allowed the owner to set DRL, auto locking, etc. BMW managed to keep that a secret until long after the new cars were being sold.
That has convinced me that any "privileged" info we see here is only here because BMW wants us to see it.
For each of these rumors (335 is a turbo / 335 is a 3.5 NA / etc) I figure either some hooligan has made it up for kicks, or BMW has "released" it to float the idea to enthusiasts and gauge the reaction.
My guess - the existence and architecture of the 335 has not been finalized by BMW. They are watching our reactions right now to see which way the winds are blowing. Hey BMW - if you make a 335, make it really expensive so I don't wish I had waited another year to get one instead of my 330.

I agree with this to a certain extent. BMW would not be leaking information about a 335 that will be produced within 1 year. They would affect their current sales since a number of us would be willing to wait until next year for an updated version. I'm sure they are guaging interest right now, and I have no doubt that in due time, perhaps, 1.5-2 years for NA, BMW will have hp upgraded versions. But as of now, I think the details and the proximity of the new models are not quite "official" as the thread starter claims.

The 3 series never lead its class in most hp, and future plans are constantly adapting to market demand and interests. 1 year would be too soon to introduce a 300HP replacement for a 330i without a premium. I can't see BMW offering a 328, the lowest model 3 series at the current 325 price - which is what they did with the e46, but after 2 years into its cycle.

[RyBMW]

The only reason the E90's main competitors have more horsepower is because they can't beat BMW in anything else. More horsepower looks great on paper when you're trying to sell, but you got to prove your worthy at the track. Even though BMW's horsepower is often lower than their competitor's, They seem to be able to get the same or better 0-60 and 1/4mile times.

[3aficionado]

Originally Posted by SpeedFreak!

The problem about your position is that you have NO idea who I am... or more importantly, who I know and talk to. I am a BMW fanatic... the truest and deepest type of enthusiast. I seek out information because of my love for the brand. The coming changes are very exciting, and I'm saying that even though I don't completely agree with some of the things that will be coming. I'm actually pretty pissed that the Turbo won't be coming and hope like hell that they change their minds... again...

Please read the entire thread and don’t take any one post out of context. This thread was posted as "official" information. My point is anything is rumor unless it can be verified. I asked that the info be backed up with sources and documentation so others can verify. Seems like a reasonable request for "official" information. Others used your post as the source. So through reading your forum I found there was also no sources listed.

You are right, I don’t know you but you seem to have lots of information. And your source could be the president of BMW for all we know. But none of us can know anything is official (as THIS thread states) unless it can be backed up with actual documentation allowing others to verify.

I meant no disrespect. As you read this entire thread you will see that as I asked for sources all I got was that you said it and you are a salesman. So based on that we were to take this information as "official".

In the end I think we can all agree we would like to see a turbo something and more powerful lineups whatever they may be.

[Robin_NL]

For what it is worth(don't want to read the whole thread)

.35 is the 3.0 litre R6 with 2 turbos, 320/330 (est)bhp, not a 3.5 litre R6.
.30 engine stays in the E90.

THATs the truth. Nothing more nothing less.

[Xens]

[Robin_NL]

LOL @ 350ci pic

All fairy tales, but this could have been the (Hartge?) V12 put in the E46 coupe.

But I don't think so.

[3aficionado]

Originally Posted by lhoboy8

Additionally, even in the e46, there were higher models that never even made it the NA, such as the 350ci. I caught one in the middle of manhattan this summer and managed to take a quick pic of it - but I was completely shocked that one even existed. Maybe I'm too out of the loop - but the 335 could come out the same way.

A car not released in the US found in Manhattan with Euro plates. Maybe this was a diplomats car... or diplomat families car. They ship over models all the time although they normally get special diplomatic US plates. Either way this is pretty cool to see. Lets hope we see some version of the 335 in the States.

[Robin_NL]

Well this one was at the Ring last August:
http://members.home.nl/mroymans/pics...g/PICT0004.JPG

[lhoboy8]

When I was back at e46fanatics, the rumor in 2002 was that the 350ci was coming out in 2005. I was just suggesting that the 335i is possibly in the same situation.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...ighlight=350ci

[ZenDriver]

I'm waiting for the E90 316g.





And yes, there WAS a 316g in the E36 Compact body, powered by natural gas. Sold in Munich only I believe.

[SpeedFreak!]

Originally Posted by E90-4life

That's a normative statement, wish I believed it Lucky for me I know quite a few ACTUAL BMW employees that have told me different.

I hate to tell you dude... but you and your source(s) are wrong. The Turbo has been placed on hold... indefinitely.

[SpeedFreak!]

Originally Posted by mc68386

I used to think that we could get the real scoop on these boards, but now I'm not so sure. There wasn't a single mention on here about the possibility of a September update that allowed the owner to set DRL, auto locking, etc. BMW managed to keep that a secret until long after the new cars were being sold.
That has convinced me that any "privileged" info we see here is only here because BMW wants us to see it.
For each of these rumors (335 is a turbo / 335 is a 3.5 NA / etc) I figure either some hooligan has made it up for kicks, or BMW has "released" it to float the idea to enthusiasts and gauge the reaction.
My guess - the existence and architecture of the 335 has not been finalized by BMW. They are watching our reactions right now to see which way the winds are blowing. Hey BMW - if you make a 335, make it really expensive so I don't wish I had waited another year to get one instead of my 330.

I would say that all of this is possible. I have always believed the bold part as truth. As good as the info I get is... I would never believe that I or anyone here would be able to "leak" anything that BMW didn't want us to leak.

To put it simple... it's fun to speculate... and it's fun to be on the inside trying to help those that give a damn get the best information at the earliest possible time.

[SpeedFreak!]

Originally Posted by 3aficionado

Please read the entire thread and don’t take any one post out of context. This thread was posted as "official" information. My point is anything is rumor unless it can be verified. I asked that the info be backed up with sources and documentation so others can verify. Seems like a reasonable request for "official" information. Others used your post as the source. So through reading your forum I found there was also no sources listed.

You are right, I don’t know you but you seem to have lots of information. And your source could be the president of BMW for all we know. But none of us can know anything is official (as THIS thread states) unless it can be backed up with actual documentation allowing others to verify.

I meant no disrespect. As you read this entire thread you will see that as I asked for sources all I got was that you said it and you are a salesman. So based on that we were to take this information as "official".

In the end I think we can all agree we would like to see a turbo something and more powerful lineups whatever they may be.

I did read the entire thread... and no... I didn't take you out of context. I never said the information was "official"... that would require an "official" press release from an "official" BMW source. I am not an "official" BMW source... IF I was... then it wouldn't be "inside" information. Now of course... like I said in an earlier post... I don't see this as the kind of "inside" information that gets a person in trouble. Even though I think this is certainly earlier then the "official" notice... I still believe it is incredibly reliable... and is a lot more fun to talk about and speculate about then the boring "official" stuff. I would also agree that the "typical" BMW sales person is normally completely unreliable... but IF you actually knew who I was... I doubt that you would consider me a "typical" BMW sales person.

[Robin_NL]

OK then. A friend of mine who actually is at the Nuerburgring about 24/7 saw and heard E90 3xx blasting by. At the 'Parkplatz' he heard the typical turbo(not turbodiesel) sound whisteling again...

Maybe only for our EU market but the 335i has 1 or 2 turbos.

[ben1364]

This talk about a future 3.5L I-6 from BMW bringsback good memories of the "old" Big 6 in 5,6 & 7 series cars. As I recall it was produced naturally aspirated in 3.3L and 3.5L forms and in turbo form (745i) as well. This was one of few turbocharged gasoline fuel BMW engines to make it to market. Another was a turbo 2002 that was a real screamer! BMW seems more comfortable with naturally aspirated gas engines for the street.

[Tierfreund]

Calling on the whole topic. I know and respect the "Speadfreak". He´s a good guy and would not knowingly or carelessly spread false information. But he´s not immune to being fed nonsense by others.
I especially don´t see a 3.5 Liter version of the N52 engine coming. The block seems way to frugal for such an increase in displacement. There´s not too much room in the stroke and increasing the bore would be dangerous with the limited experience anyone has with a magnesium block.
The direct injection I´ll believe anytime. The lack of clean enough fuels are a hindrance though.
The biturbo coming is plausible.
The biturbo beeing suspendend is possible as well.
Maybe something unexpected came up during testing. Maybe BMW got nervous by reading boards such as this. Too many ppl were eagerly awaiting the turbo just to chip it to death. Migth have gotten BMW nervous because of a possible warranty nightmare. You don´t want to be argueing with the customer on things like "your modifications killed the motor, we won´t cover it"

[ben1364]

The photo of the car (in Manhattan?) appears to be a badging effort. The photo of the right front fender does not include an ///M badge as is typically found on legitimate ///M cars.

[Tierfreund]

Originally Posted by ben1364

The photo of the car (in Manhattan?) appears to be a badging effort. The photo of the right front fender does not include an ///M badge as is typically found on legitimate ///M cars.

Hey, no kidding Sherlock

[Robin_NL]

[YYimports]

Ahhhh love threads like this.. even tho it's always conflicting info it usually means the real info will pop soon You know what, either Speedfreak! or E90-4life will be right, and either option will be awesome (3.5L NA engine or turbo engine). Either way we win! Thanks guys.

[DC52E55]

hope this is true! i am so excited!

[BMW Enthusiast]

These rumors are like being on a bad rollercoaster ride and you just don't know when it's going to end! Excuse me, but I need to go throw up now.