Vs. 911 GT3

[chillindrdude]

i would even take a 997.2 GT3 over a GTS. 997.1....it's a flip of a coin. 996? no way, jose.

[rr006rbc]

Why would you even consider purchasing a GTS for that price? You can throw $10k at a base M4 and make it look better and go lots faster than a GTS.

Unless you're just ballin' outta control and can afford to throw 911 kind of money around then SURE. Good for you.

[adc]

Originally Posted by 2sporty

wow... some of us are really just grasping for straws here in order to justify why the GTS is worth the price, or "better" than a GT3.

Well then, I'm sure you have driven both and can compare directly. Do tell.

[adc]

Originally Posted by rr006rbc

You can throw $10k at a base M4 and make it look better and go lots faster than a GTS.

I say you can't.

But you're welcome to try, and come here to post your pics and Nurburgring time.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by rr006rbc

You can throw $10k at a base M4 and make it (...) go lots faster than a GTS.

This, I seriously doubt.

[bimmerking818]

you are wrong sir, i raced a gt3 RS from around 40-60mph to around 140 and i was ahead around a car distance and i have a f82 that is full bolt with methanol. But i was not using meth i was on map 2 with around 5 gallons mixed with 91octane, however that was a straight away not a circuit. But it would be a a lot closer race between the GTRS and GTS. people don't give bmw enough credit when it comes to Porsche and the GT3 models.

nick-

[bimmerking818]

Originally Posted by afadeev

You are right - running circles was a figure of speech.
However, all things being equal (similar HP, torque, suspension prep, tires, driver), a 3500 lbs car (GTS) will not keep up with a 3100 lbs car (GT3) for long.



I do love the work BMW had put into the GTS package.
Unfortunately, the price point and product spec vaults it into an entirely another category of track warrior cars.
That extra weight will require WAY more of a HP compensation than what the water tank provides. How long before BMW starts boring out that 3.0L to 3.2+L ... ?

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you are wrong sir, i raced a gt3 RS from around 40-60mph to around 140 and i was ahead around a car distance. I have a f82 that is full bolt with methanol, But i was not using meth i was on map 2 with around 5 gallons mixed with 91octane. however that was a straight away not a circuit, But it would be a a lot closer race between the GTRS and GTS. People don't give bmw enough credit when it comes to Porsche and the GT3 models.

nick-

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by bimmerking818

you are wrong sir, i raced a gt3 RS from around 40-60mph to around 140 and i was ahead around a car distance. I have a f82 that is full bolt with methanol, But i was not using meth i was on map 2 with around 5 gallons mixed with 91octane. however that was a straight away not a circuit, But it would be a a lot closer race between the GTRS and GTS. People don't give bmw enough credit when it comes to Porsche and the GT3 models.

nick-

Ther is a big difference between doing a single acceleration pull and lapping consistently lap after lap.

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Ther is a big difference between doing a single acceleration pull and lapping consistently lap after lap.

I have played with a friend in his 991 GT 3 at Mosport and up the 3/4 mile straight my M4 will pull a couple of lengths on him with my terminal speed in the 150 mph range.Ultimatly he will turn faster lap times than I do.

[RPChan]

I find all of these comparisons laughable like these cars all drove themselves. Show me a comparison of the same driver driving each car, with equal experience in each car, on the same day and then we have a comparison

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Gearhead999s

I have played with a friend in his 991 GT 3 at Mosport and up the 3/4 mile straight my M4 will pull a couple of lengths on him with my terminal speed in the 150 mph range.Ultimatly he will turn faster lap times than I do.

I find that rather surprising. According to C&D acceleration test of the 991 GT3 and DCT M4, the GT3 still has a lot more pull at high speed by a significant margin:

Acceleration - GT3 - M4
60-130mph - 9.0s - 10.8s
100-150mph - 10.0s - 12.3s

Maybe a fluke

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I find that rather surprising. According to C&D acceleration test of the 991 GT3 and DCT M4, the GT3 still has a lot more pull at high speed by a significant margin:

Acceleration - GT3 - M4
60-130mph - 9.0s - 10.8s
100-150mph - 10.0s - 12.3s
Maybe a fluke

I have played with a couple both at Mosport and WGI and it has been the same every time.Mind you both times we we were not running in a standard atomospheric conditions as it was much cooler than standard.
And we were all surprised.

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by Gearhead999s

I have played with a couple both at Mosport and WGI and it has been the same every time.Mind you both times we we were not running in a standard atomospheric conditions as it was much cooler than standard.
And we were all surprised.

I forgot that at the Glen it was a 997 GT3 not a 991.

[gonoyaro11]

GTS can not beat P-Gt3

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by dohoh87

GTS can not beat P-Gt3

"Beat" by itself is a very vague term.

But if you mean around a race track, I wouldn't be so sure about your statement.

[dawgdog]

Originally Posted by Gearhead999s

I have played with a friend in his 991 GT 3 at Mosport and up the 3/4 mile straight my M4 will pull a couple of lengths on him with my terminal speed in the 150 mph range.Ultimatly he will turn faster lap times than I do.

The 991 GT3 does not pull from my M3 on straights. And I think the M3 is faster on straights than my 997 RS which was puts down 400 hp to the wheels. The GTS
must have a really dialed in suspension to get that Nurburgring time no matter who is driving.

[dawgdog]

Similarly equipped 991Gt3 would be $155,000 plus.

[Captain Unknown GT4]

Was on that 911 R list, turn out to be a no show. Have a GT4 today and had almost all M cars since 1990.

Had the M3 CSL for over 5 years, and broke 2 gearboxes and wheelbearings and you name it, Nurburgring have that effect on cars still I can't wait to take delivery on the GTS. I kind of like it, not as common as GT3:s down at Nurburgring.

[RingMeister01]

OT, the new 991.2 Carrera S laps the ring only 6 seconds slower than gts. That's pretty damn impressive.

[Captain Unknown GT4]

Originally Posted by RingMeister01

OT, the new 991.2 Carrera S laps the ring only 6 seconds slower than gts. That's pretty damn impressive.

I am sorry to say that its more to it than that. In the same way I can find many street cars that Will be faster than My GT4, but and to me this Is a major but, them car Will not be as fun even on the second lap of the ring when they and their tire start to wash out. I could go al day in a 3.2km short Track in my GT4 and its like fun and car keep up, a 991 is not the same. Even GT4 that is a GT car is limited in the way how you can sett camber but in stock form you reach -2 front, as Well in GTS but there you can also set up car more. A stock 991 or any other fast street car Is fun for 1 lap, then no more.

So in my mind its more to it than just One fast lap.

[RingMeister01]

Originally Posted by Captain Unknown GT4

I am sorry to say that its more to it than that. In the same way I can find many street cars that Will be faster than My GT4, but and to me this Is a major but, them car Will not be as fun even on the second lap of the ring when they and their tire start to wash out. I could go al day in a 3.2km short Track in my GT4 and its like fun and car keep up, a 991 is not the same. Even GT4 that is a GT car is limited in the way how you can sett camber but in stock form you reach -2 front, as Well in GTS but there you can also set up car more. A stock 991 or any other fast street car Is fun for 1 lap, then no more.

So in my mind its more to it than just One fast lap.

Not saying anything against your comment, I actually agree but a street 911 to do a lap like that and still be able to drive hours and hours and miles in comfort is crazy impressive. I reckon the 991.2 S would beat the GTS over a single lap with equal tires.

[alexey21]

Sorry to revive this, but I feel like I gotta put my 2cents into this topic

1) Lets not compare the two cars. These are two different purposed cars. While both cars are for designed for track use, the M4 GTS started its life as a BMW 4 series. BMW has to work with what they got. In the end, the car has to be the same proportions as the 4 series, look similar, and dont forget, they have a budget. Yes, the 911 GT3 started its life as a regular Carrera, but it is a car that was originally thought up to be a sports car. In my opinion, the 991 is more of a touring car than the sports cars of the previous generations, but that is a whole different topic. Both cars are the product of what the company has at the moment, along with sticking to a certain budget.

2) It is extremely impressive to see BMW modify a 4 series into a car that is capable to stay with a GT3 on track. More impressive, is the technology they played with to get more power from the engine, without increasing displacement, or other witchcraft such as battery power.

3) The sound of a flat six reving to 9,000 RPM is a glorious sound indeed. Yet, BMW seems to make cars that are less trouble some. The early 991 GT3s have their fair share of engine problems, and it will be interesting to see how they do once warranties are up, and Porsche refuses to fix problems, or replace engines.

That being said, both of these cars are so similar (performance wise on paper) yet so different at the same time. One has natural aspiration, the other has turbos. One has rear wheel steering, the other does not (?). The list continues.

Both cars, appeal to the same group of buyers, as both are refined cars with dual clutch transmissions, yet people are willing to pay more money and go for the GT3. Im not saying choose this one over the other, or which is better I'm just saying go for the car that you personally want. A car, is meant to be enjoyed and driven. Buying a car for bragging rights is stupid, as the next best car is around the corner, and you constantly have to keep up. If its a car you want to connect with and want a raw experience, I personally would lean to the P car. If you want a car that can keep up with a P car, and putter around town, at the expense of sound, feel, and connection, I would go with the BMW. To some people, the connection that new BMW cars provide is enough, and they are happy.

We are in an age of car technology where cars are giant computers. Having rear wheel steering, traction control, torque vectoring, dual clutch transmissions etc. All of this technology allows people to buy cars, get fast lap time, and then take it to the forums to argue over which one is better. In reality, next year there will be a new version, and then another version the following years, and are we all gonna sit at home read the specs, compare lap times, and take it the forums to compare the cars? Get the car you enjoy, and not the car that gives you bragging rights.