Vs. 911 GT3

[edwinm3]

Originally Posted by Green///Hell

Don't forget the GT3 sounds better

^This and it also looks so much better.

[solstice]

The rarity absolutely count for something. Showing up at the track with a GTS will get you a lot of attention while a GT3 is just yawn, another one. An RS though, any RS is another story but also a totally different price range.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by solstice

The rarity absolutely count for something. Showing up at the track with a GTS will get you a lot of attention while a GT3 is just yawn, another one. An RS though, any RS is another story but also a totally different price range.

Agreed.

I have lost count of how many 991 GT3's I have seen during my 3 visits to the Nurburgring this summer. The RS, just two I think. But that car stands out!

The M4 GTS will probably be the same as the RS in it's exclusiveness and wow factor at places like the Nurburgring etc.

In the parking area at the Ring, Porsche are a dime a dozen. Crowds gather round rare cars that not everyone has. Same with E46 M3's... But show up in a 2015 Camaro Z28 and pop the hood... Crowds gathered real quick

[SROC3]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

I love the looks of my M4 the sounds has to grow on you. The GT3 sound is unreal, and just mean. With limit production of the M4 if it taps 200k I wouldn't touch it .....actually the look it not a looker, and that wing is terrible. Less than. 1000 units it will possible be a collectible, but I buy cars to drive and could care less about resale. As I have said before M4 GTS go for a used 458!

[W///]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Look at the numbers more closely. Using the EU weight for power to weight comparison is more representative because it factors 75kg (165b) for a driver.

991 GT3: 1505kg/475ps = 3.1684kg/ps
M4 GTS: 1585kg/500ps = 3.1700kg/ps

Further, considering that the S55 is turbocharged, the M4 GTS has a beefier power curve and puts down more average power that the GT3 does. The cars are very evenly matched.

That being said, for the price, I would likely still pick the GT3 as it has been a dream car of mine for so long .

Assuming the GTS makes 500 hp of course, which we all know that's a bunch of lies. Can't wait until someone puts it on a dyno

Either way, whether the GT3 or GTS, way too rich for my blood. I'll be sticking to stripper M2 and M3's for a long time.

[schnazzy]

Originally Posted by Boss330

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BTW. Import taxes can add MUCH more than 10% to the value of the car... My line of work is to do with vehicle approvals in Europe and Norway. Here in Norway import taxes can easily double the price of some cars. Denmark is the same. Many Asian countries also have extreme taxation on vehicles.

I think you misunderstand or didn't correctly type what I meant. I didn't mean to say that there was 10% import tax. What I meant was the larger engine (3000cc +) add's yet another 10%+ in many cases.

Some Asian countries have say a series of taxes, import fees, duties, inspection costs, etc. An example of one Asian country is that it accumulates to 289%. So a 120k USD BMW would be $346k if it was under 3000c and if it was 3000c or more, the car would be about 328% in accumulation of the aforementioned and be closer to $400k for what in the US would be a $120k car.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

....[instead of] M4 GTS go for a used 458!

A Spyder.
Unfortunately, it comes with too many upkeep problems.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Which facts do you use to back that claim up?

M4 GTS - 7:28 Nurburgring lap time
991 GT3 - 7:32 Nurburgring lap time

The GTS seems more than capable of hanging with the GT3 over a long track like the Nurburgring at least



http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/s...29.html?show=2

This is not a fair comparison, you are comparing a BMW factory time against a time done by a magazine (For Sport Auto, it's only two laps, one to warm up and one timed lap, only god knows how many laps BMW ran to get the 7:28).

I am sure a Porsche factory driver would have gone quicker than 7:32.

BMW claimed M5 (non CP) can do 7:55. Sport Auto did 8:06.

But between the two I would take GTS though, like you said, it's more exclusive.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

This is not a fair comparison, you are comparing a BMW factory time against a time done by a magazine (For Sport Auto, it's only two laps, one to warm up and one timed lap, only god knows how many laps BMW ran to get the 7:28).

I am sure a Porsche factory driver would have gone quicker than 7:32.

BMW claimed M5 (non CP) can do 7:55. Sport Auto did 8:06.

But between the two I would take GTS though, like you said, it's more exclusive.

I agree that Sport Auto only has a limited number of laps to set their time and that certainly is a factor that needs to be considered. However it can be more than just two laps in total, but still a disadvantage of course.

In the last edition of Sport Auto they did a test of the AC Schnitzer ACS4 (M4) which weighed in at 1500kg with fuel but no driver, over 100kg lighter than the std M4. The car is on Corvette spec tires, has 510hp and KW coilovers. The AC Schnitzer was 6/10ths faster around Hockenheim than the 991 GT3 (both as tested by Sport Auto).

So coming close to the 991 GT3 times seems achievable for the F8x platform

The M5 did it in 8:05, but I don't remember that BMW claimed a 7:55 time for the M5? Do you have a source for this?

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by Boss330

I agree that Sport Auto only has a limited number of laps to set their time and that certainly is a factor that needs to be considered. However it can be more than just two laps in total, but still a disadvantage of course.

In the last edition of Sport Auto they did a test of the AC Schnitzer ACS4 (M4) which weighed in at 1500kg with fuel but no driver, over 100kg lighter than the std M4. The car is on Corvette spec tires, has 510hp and KW coilovers. The AC Schnitzer was 6/10ths faster around Hockenheim than the 991 GT3 (both as tested by Sport Auto).

So coming close to the 991 GT3 times seems achievable for the F8x platform

The M5 did it in 8:05, but I don't remember that BMW claimed a 7:55 time for the M5? Do you have a source for this?

According to Sport Auto they only do two laps, one warm up and one timed, but of course they may do several laps before hand to get a feel for the car.

As for 7:55, there was a big argument before on this, some use this as the standard, but I use Sport Auto's 8:05 and M5 CP 7:54 as my standard.

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/moto...ts-blistering-?ring-time

I am sure a BMW factory driver would have no problem set a time below 7:50 for the M5 CP.

Anyways, GTS looks to be an awesome car, hopefully someone here will get it.

[FSHNGRY]

I love my M4, and I'm sure the GTS is nuts, but for that money, I would get the GT3 and never look back. I wouldn't pay 130k for an M4 of any kind of edition.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Boss330

GT3 time in your link at 7:27 was prev gen GT3 RS 4.0 (still a very good time though )

The C&D link states 7:20 (no source provided) and claims that the RS is 5s quicker than the GT3. If correct, the GT3 should be 7:25 so slightly quicker than the GTS. I'd still say that being so close to the GT3 and GT3 RS is super impressive

Have Porsche officially announced the 7:20 and 7:25 times anywhere? If not then the time we have confirmation of for the GT3 is the Sport Auto 7:32 time...

But we will probably know more if and when Sport Auto does a Supertest of the GTS since we then can compare to confirmed independently set lap times

Factory driver Timo Kluck did a 7:25 in 991 GT3.

Porsche now says the base 991.2 911 S does 7:30 around the Ring. So for £30k+ less than M4 GTS, you can be within 2 secs. The 991.2 GTS will surely exceed the M4 GTS time.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Factory driver Timo Kluck did a 7:25 in 991 GT3.

Porsche now says the base 991.2 911 S does 7:30 around the Ring. So for £30k+ less than M4 GTS, you can be within 2 secs. The 991.2 GTS will surely exceed the M4 GTS time.

Do you have a link to the factory stated times? Not the rumours circulating of course, but official word from Porsche (since that was your claim )

If it does it in 7:30, then awesome! But renders the GT3 a little bit pointless...

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by solstice

The rarity absolutely count for something. Showing up at the track with a GTS will get you a lot of attention while a GT3 is just yawn, another one. An RS though, any RS is another story but also a totally different price range.

I love my M4 cab for a DD, but I wouldn't trade my GT3 for the GTS. I get 300 being produced, but just not fond of the looks at all. Also 9000k revving motor that's NA that's a dying breed.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Do you have a link to the factory stated times? Not the rumours circulating of course, but official word from Porsche (since that was your claim )

If it does it in 7:30, then awesome! But renders the GT3 a little bit pointless...

It was stated in the official 2014 GT3 press release that the car was capable of a sub 7:30 nurburgring lap. Then later confirmed by just about every media outlet the time was indeed 7:25 and done by factory driver Timo Kluck.

If you want written proof. Here is the 2016 press release for the 911 GT3 RS, where it states:

"With a Nuerburgring Nordschleife lap time of seven minutes and 20 seconds, the new 911 GT3 RS surpasses the 911 GT3 by five seconds, making it the fastest current generation 911 on the famous German racetrack."

http://press.porsche.com/news/release.php?id=911


So yes, the 991 GT3 7:25 ring time is official.

[krnnerdboy]

If you guys want to compare lap times/$ spent then the 16 viper acr closes this thread. $120k super rare, and sub 7:00 Nurburgring time.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

If you guys want to compare lap times/$ spent then the 16 viper acr closes this thread. $120k super rare, and sub 7:00 Nurburgring time.

That and 1.2 sec quicker than 918 at Laguna Seca and a 2s quicker at willow springs!!!

[deemo319]

Uh, yeah the GT3 RS has a "Pit Speed" button on the console.

A damn "Pit Speed" button guys. This thing is downright serious.

GT3 RS!

Watch this:
http://jalopnik.com/you-have-to-be-m...-rs-1740758617

[S65V8]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

This is not a fair comparison, you are comparing a BMW factory time against a time done by a magazine (For Sport Auto, it's only two laps, one to warm up and one timed lap, only god knows how many laps BMW ran to get the 7:28).

I am sure a Porsche factory driver would have gone quicker than 7:32.

BMW claimed M5 (non CP) can do 7:55. Sport Auto did 8:06.

But between the two I would take GTS though, like you said, it's more exclusive.

In the same respect, it's irritating that the 7:52 time for the regular M4 wasn't done by a BMW Factory Driver. Horst V. isn't a bad driver no doubt, but BMW still should of used a true pro race driver or factory driver to get the best time, god knows they have enough of those laying around...

[socalsnake]

Originally Posted by SickFinga

US M4 - $63,200
UK M4 - $87,400 (57,055 GBP)
DE M4 - $82,300 (72,500 EUR)

UK M4 GTS - $186,500 (121,700 GBP)
DE M4 GTS - $166,100 (146,200 EUR)

I'm guessing M4 GTS will be around $125,000-130,000 USD in the US which is about the same as 911 GT3.

I was looking for a new GT3 8 months ago. Found some incoming at Rusnak Pasadena. Sticker price on the three coming in were between 155,000.00 and 162,000.00. I thought that was a decent price before the salesman told me that they all had an ADM of 50,000.00. I tried not to laugh.

As of now, I believe only the GT3 RS are being produced. That's like finding a unicorn though.

Oh and 991 GT3 >>> M4 GTS IMHO

[rosenbergendo]

911 GT3 will handily beat M4 GTS. 911 GT3 RS is on another planet.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by rosenbergendo

911 GT3 will handily beat M4 GTS. 911 GT3 RS is on another planet.

and yet still easily beaten by the viper acr for roughly the amount of premium GT3 RS is currently going for