[CosmicCharlie]

Originally Posted by TanzaniteBlue

I thought the same until I put my foot down in the M5.

HOLY BABY JESUS IT THROWS YOU IN YOUR SEAT! On COLD TIRES! Warm oil and coolant obviously.

And the interior is so much cooler, and the seats are more comfortable. The giant screen is awesome. And the V8 sound when you turn off Active Sound.....can only imagine how good Active Sound off is with the MPE.

I'm 100% with you on all the pros the M5c has going for it. IMO the 3 can't compare on any of the elements that make the M5 a premium sport sedan.

I'm going to get on the paddle shifters on rural backroads this week and pay closer attention to whether I can notice any lag like what you're describing. Mine is now out of break-in period and my escort redline360 is arriving today. If I can safely get some POV video of moving through the gears w the paddles, I'll post here for review.

[fun2drv]

I may be in the minority here, but after driving manual transmission cars for 34 years, I sold my '15 M4 and '17 M2 for and ordered a '19 M5 Competition. I only tried the paddles ONCE. My right foot is the new weapon!!! The automatic just works fine handling all of the power and torque. I'm super happy with THE BEAST!!!

[AHall]

Originally Posted by CosmicCharlie

Interesting- I haven't noticed anything but great on-demand shift performance from my '21 M5 comp, but I'm comparing to my most recent previous car, an '18 m550 (which, when in full sport plus settings, I also liked).

While I don't think you'll find many that agree, maybe the m340 is the superior car for your specific taste and expectations- why not just get another one of those?

This is sound advice. If the car is not what you want there are many others to consider. Especially if it is a major Achilles heel for you. All the reviews have indicated the shifts are quick but maybe those of your previous car are faster. Maybe the new 911, E63S or the Audi RS6 or RS7.

[pcai]

Originally Posted by TanzaniteBlue

I thought the same until I put my foot down in the M5.

HOLY BABY JESUS IT THROWS YOU IN YOUR SEAT! On COLD TIRES! Warm oil and coolant obviously.

And the interior is so much cooler, and the seats are more comfortable. The giant screen is awesome. And the V8 sound when you turn off Active Sound.....can only imagine how good Active Sound off is with the MPE.

Turning off ASD through the exhaust button also closes the valves and disables the pops and bangs. This can make upshifts seem more sluggish and delayed since you don't get any crisp aural cues from the car's exhaust anymore. But overall I don't think any F90 owner is complaining about shift lag so...maybe try another one?

[mw9]

No delay here. Similar but not exactly the same feel as my F80.

[brava09]

Just went and checked , no delays, instant change.

[TanzaniteBlue]

Originally Posted by mw9

No delay here. Similar but not exactly the same feel as my F80.

Originally Posted by brava09

Just went and checked , no delays, instant change.

What shift modes did you guys use? And engine modes?

Don't want to be in maximum attack S3 M Mode Track all the time. S2 or S3 with Efficient/Sport engine response would be where I'd drive mostly.
S3 MDM M Mode Track for SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED. And the noise of the SPEEEEEEEEEEEEED!

[Stealth7]

At this price point BMW could afford to add whatever transmission option they thought was best and they did. That said, there is no way that an automatic transmission will be as quick downshifting as a DCT - just look at the mechanical workings of the transmissions. This topic has been often debated with respect to this car and I believe that the consensus was that the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages for the ways in which actual customers will use this car.

[MDJAK]

I just traded my 2020 M5 for a Porsche Cayenne GTS.

Having come from 6 prior Porsches, including two 911s, one of which I tracked, all with DCT, I can understand the OPs complaint.

That said, it was my 3rd BMW and I always felt the tranny was a model of perfection. Is it as fast, immediate, and as intuitive as a good DCT? Absolutely not.

My complaint, sorry for OT, was the very vague, silly putty steering.

If you think the steering is accurate, provides any road feel, do yourself a favor and drive a Porsche. It’s literally night and day.

I don’t often agree with reviewers about cars I’ve owned, as they usually only have them a short time. But Savage Geese nailed the M5 steering when he said it basically sucked.

[dappercivility]

My F90 M5C Pre-LCi has next to no delay, shift inputs via the paddle shifters are crisp. My F40 M135 however has a similiar day to what you mentioned.

[pcai]

Originally Posted by TanzaniteBlue

What shift modes did you guys use? And engine modes?

Don't want to be in maximum attack S3 M Mode Track all the time. S2 or S3 with Efficient/Sport engine response would be where I'd drive mostly.
S3 MDM M Mode Track for SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED. And the noise of the SPEEEEEEEEEEEEED!

If you're going to shift gears yourself, why would you be in any other mode except for S3? The M modes don't do anything in terms of the car's performance. It only changes the instrument cluster design and turns some collision avoidance systems off. It's simple really: if you want to shift manually-do it in S3. There's no reason to be in any of the less aggressive shift modes during manual operation.
If I want to hoon around, I go S+ engine manual S3 shift MDM 4WD sport. Otherwise, if the car is in automatic mode I leave it on D1. Rarely use D2 or D3 except when I want to go flat out for a few gears from a standstill as you're either hitting the rev limiter or short-shifting during this scenario if you change gears yourself. If you launch it, even in manual mode the car will shift automatically.
Also if you're hooning it, have the exhaust button on. ASD sucks but with the valves closed and the burble tune disabled you're missing out on the experience. Just make sure to roll down your windows, it will drown out the fake sound real good.

[brava09]

Originally Posted by TanzaniteBlue

What shift modes did you guys use? And engine modes?

Don't want to be in maximum attack S3 M Mode Track all the time. S2 or S3 with Efficient/Sport engine response would be where I'd drive mostly.
S3 MDM M Mode Track for SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED. And the noise of the SPEEEEEEEEEEEEED!

I tried it in each mode, no delay between paddle and gear shift.
The drive logic modes do not alter the timing between the paddles and gear change, rather it changes how fast the gears are changed once a command was sent , and in automatic it holds the revs higher, or lower before changing gears

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by TanzaniteBlue

Hi all.

I turned in my F80 a couple months ago. Several things annoyed me both about the car and how BMW is treating long time customers. Once they removed the buyout credit my decision was made, and I was pretty sure I would move on from the brand.

Fast forward to today I decide to give the M5 a shot. Holy mother of God is this thing fast and it’s not even a competition package! I was ready right then and there to order an M5C with everything, even the M Performance Exhaust.

BUT! There is a major Achilles heel, and that’s the paddle shift delay. You have to be in M mode Track and S3 to get half acceptable response, and even then it feels like a half second or more from you clicking a paddle to the car responding. If you’re not in M mode it’s hopeless. Immediately went on YouTube to watch a few competition package POV drives and the delay is exactly the same.

I got back into our M340i driving home and the paddle response is IMMEDIATE regardless of drive mode. Immediate like my F80.

Is there some sort of work around? It kills the car for me.

No Delay on mine at all.

[jsf721]

I drive a base M5 and the paddles were on point. Felt like fireing an automatic weapon going through the gears. The car I drove had 3JK on the clock. It was a demo / test drive car.

My garage queen is a Turbo S so i have a decent frame of reference.

You need to go drive another example. FWIW, I spent a full day at the M drivers program at Monticello July 2019, and again in Sept/October 2019 at City Field. Got to really spend some quality time in the M340, M2, M5 and M5C. Now I want them all for different reasons. Honestly the M2 was a huge surprise, biggest for me of the day. I was not expecting it to be that much fun to drive.

Currently I DD a 540 ix M Sport and even those paddles are supper on point and responsive.

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by AHall

This is sound advice. If the car is not what you want there are many others to consider. Especially if it is a major Achilles heel for you. All the reviews have indicated the shifts are quick but maybe those of your previous car are faster. Maybe the new 911, E63S or the Audi RS6 or RS7.

Don't bother with AUDI's especially the RS6, shifts are way slower than the F90 M5.

[adeuel]

Good thing I don't use the paddles ;/

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by TanzaniteBlue

Hi all.

I turned in my F80 a couple months ago. Several things annoyed me both about the car and how BMW is treating long time customers. Once they removed the buyout credit my decision was made, and I was pretty sure I would move on from the brand.

Fast forward to today I decide to give the M5 a shot. Holy mother of God is this thing fast and it's not even a competition package! I was ready right then and there to order an M5C with everything, even the M Performance Exhaust.

BUT! There is a major Achilles heel, and that's the paddle shift delay. You have to be in M mode Track and S3 to get half acceptable response, and even then it feels like a half second or more from you clicking a paddle to the car responding. If you're not in M mode it's hopeless. Immediately went on YouTube to watch a few competition package POV drives and the delay is exactly the same.

I got back into our M340i driving home and the paddle response is IMMEDIATE regardless of drive mode. Immediate like my F80.

Is there some sort of work around? It kills the car for me.

It improves over time as the transmission adapts. The experience difference between driving off the lot and a tranny that has adapted was noticeable to me on all 3 of my latest-gen Ms.

Note also that the tranny will only shift most aggressively when you're really on it.

PS: I drive in S3 almost (manual shift) permanently.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by brava09

I tried it in each mode, no delay between paddle and gear shift.
The drive logic modes do not alter the timing between the paddles and gear change, rather it changes how fast the gears are changed once a command was sent , and in automatic it holds the revs higher, or lower before changing gears

Well put.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by AHall

This is sound advice. If the car is not what you want there are many others to consider. Especially if it is a major Achilles heel for you. All the reviews have indicated the shifts are quick but maybe those of your previous car are faster. Maybe the new 911, E63S or the Audi RS6 or RS7.

My E63S' 9-speed was perhaps slightly faster but too much of an uncomfortable and persistent thud between shifts let it down.

The new RS7 is a ZF, too—shifts were slower than my M8 but, again, it was new so had yet to adapt.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by adeuel

Good thing I don't use the paddles ;/

That should be illegal.

[TheD]

Sorry Man, no lag in this super toy.

I mean, no lag if you usually compare it 99% of international production. If your terms of comparison are Porsche and Ferrari, maybe you can find it a little a bit lagged. A little bit, maybe.

Compared to M340i I would say it’s almost impossible. ✌🏻

[TanzaniteBlue]

All I know is this. In our M340 I drive around in Sport or Sport Plus with paddles. Any more throttle than initial tip in, hitting a paddle to car response is immediate, almost like my F80. Even in comfort with the shifter not in the S gate. Yes shift speed is different depending on throttle but the response is always the same.

This is simply not the case in the F90, and several POV drives convey this too. When you drive around normally, there is a sizable delay from you touching a paddle to the car responding. I tried S2 and S3. If you put the car into M Mode it brings down the response time. Not sure why that affected paddle response. Engine was in Sport Plus the entire time.

This is where my issue lies. It feels disconnected.

You can see the delay clear as day here when he drives. This is exactly how my test car felt regardless of mode. Skip to 13:40 and watch from there.