Fuel Vent Recall....

JOHNBMWM5 · 11-13-2020, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ashmostro

I think it’s a regulation concern. BMW knowingly sending out cars with a potential emissions violation could lead to enforcement actions and fines. It’s a post-Diesel Gate response.

Yea Could be the case.

ashmostro · 11-13-2020, 12:31 PM

Now that I think about it, I’m fairly certain that’s why the communication has sucked. I bet BMW is working closely with govt agencies and being provided very strict guidelines to operate within in order to avoid the aforementioned enforcement actions from happening. They’re probably being advised on what to say, when to say it, and who to say it to.

JOHNBMWM5 · 11-13-2020, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ashmostro

Now that I think about it, I’m fairly certain that’s why the communication has sucked. I bet BMW is working closely with govt agencies and being provided very strict guidelines to operate within in order to avoid the aforementioned enforcement actions from happening. They’re probably being advised on what to say, when to say it, and who to say it to.

Here in the UK we have strict emissions laws, I can't see it being a emission related problem, Ventilating Fuel tanks does nothing for emissions as such. IMO.

ashmostro · 11-13-2020, 12:52 PM

Apparently the fault results in a CEL *not* being thrown when it should, if a certain type of ventilation failure occurs.

Minimizing the ventilation of fuel vapor into atmosphere is one of the areas that emissions regulations attempt to control tightly. Not just combusted exhaust.

rccarps2 · 11-13-2020, 12:55 PM

In this day and age, the lack of updates/communication is astounding.

I can sympathize that the situation may be very fluid, but not a single official statement since the generic "stop hold" is bordering insane. Leaving dealers and customers twisting like this as bad as it can get be. My gut tells me the hold was a knee jerk reaction, as BMW obviously did not have a plan/fix in place to address the issue.

The fact that current owners have been told nothing is also BS. How can you put a stop delivery on EVERY M car (M5, M8, X5M, X6M, and X4M) sitting on a dealer lot, new or used, and not tell people that are currently driving them around with their families what is going on. If I had my car and was driving around, I think I would be concerned. Cars can't be delivered/sold, but sure.... you can continue driving whatever is out there.

Just frustrated, as the hold that seems to have no end in sight is having me juggle around a lot of scheduled plans, appointments, travel, etc.

Anyways... done my rant.

Pinky1776 · 11-13-2020, 03:25 PM

BMW NA could do a better job communicating directly with consumers. My dealer's been great about keeping me updated, but if I didn't have BimmerPost to hear other buyers also experiencing stop-sales, I would've really wanted to also hear direct communication from BMW NA... just so that I'd know that it wasn't my dealer yanking my chain.

At any rate, it looks like the M5s are going to get an update on the 18th if they're at the port and on the 23th if they're at the dealer which would mean pickup on the 24th!

ashmostro · 11-13-2020, 03:26 PM

Ugh. Thanksgiving week. That sucks.

Pinky1776 · 11-13-2020, 03:33 PM

Yeah, not great that it's Thanksgiving week. Any hiccup or delay and I'd/we'd have to wait perhaps another week. But I'm just so glad that at least there's a timeframe.

Maverik259 · 11-14-2020, 10:45 AM

Not sure why thanksgiving week matters. Thought it was now deemed an illegal holiday? Might as well go back to work. Lmao

nv6425 · 11-18-2020, 07:45 PM

Has anybody heard anything BMW North America on this?

GAMA · 11-18-2020, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nv6425

Has anybody heard anything BMW North America on this?

Supposely update will be released next week. Other sources told me not till the 30th. BMW is just playing games. You already purchase the car so now you can wait. 🤬🤬🤬

GAMA · 11-18-2020, 08:06 PM

Just got this from a source since BMW is not willing to elaborate on the problem.

Dear Sir or Madam, An incorrect behavior in the diagnosis of the tank ventilation was found in the vehicles. The first time an error is detected, an entry is made in the error memory. If the error is recognized again in the second driving cycle, the MIL is activated. This MIL activation is suppressed because the diagnosis locks itself after the first error detection. The diagnosis does not run a second time. In addition, the catalytic converter and lambda probe diagnosis is blocked. For the F9x G80 G82 series, based on the chassis number selection, BMW AG has decided on a worldwide delivery block and an emissions-related recall in the US, Canada, Korea and China markets. In the remaining markets, the implementation takes place as a technical action with customer notification. Please arrange for the control units to be reprogrammed on the vehicles concerned (according to the chassis number selection) before the vehicle is delivered. In the case of vehicles that have already been delivered, the customer is to be requested to visit the workshop at short notice in accordance with the enclosed text proposal. Note: ISTA 4 with installed E service data package is required for programming / coding. The error correction is included from the following 1-level version: I-level S15A-20-11-533 or more recent (probably available from ISTA 4.26.35, publication planned from week 48) 1-level S18A-20-11-533 or more recent (expected to be available from ISTA 4.26.35, publication planned from week 48) Note: It is imperative to ensure that programming is carried out with the above-mentioned or a more recent l-level!

Juceman · 11-19-2020, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAMA

Just got this from a source since BMW is not willing to elaborate on the problem.

Dear Sir or Madam, An incorrect behavior in the diagnosis of the tank ventilation was found in the vehicles. The first time an error is detected, an entry is made in the error memory. If the error is recognized again in the second driving cycle, the MIL is activated. This MIL activation is suppressed because the diagnosis locks itself after the first error detection. The diagnosis does not run a second time. In addition, the catalytic converter and lambda probe diagnosis is blocked. For the F9x G80 G82 series, based on the chassis number selection, BMW AG has decided on a worldwide delivery block and an emissions-related recall in the US, Canada, Korea and China markets. In the remaining markets, the implementation takes place as a technical action with customer notification. Please arrange for the control units to be reprogrammed on the vehicles concerned (according to the chassis number selection) before the vehicle is delivered. In the case of vehicles that have already been delivered, the customer is to be requested to visit the workshop at short notice in accordance with the enclosed text proposal. Note: ISTA 4 with installed E service data package is required for programming / coding. The error correction is included from the following 1-level version: I-level S15A-20-11-533 or more recent (probably available from ISTA 4.26.35, publication planned from week 48) 1-level S18A-20-11-533 or more recent (expected to be available from ISTA 4.26.35, publication planned from week 48) Note: It is imperative to ensure that programming is carried out with the above-mentioned or a more recent l-level!

So does this mean they actually have a fix, but don't intend to apply it in the US market (and others you listed)? If I misinterpreted, then someone please help make sense of this for me (or us).

My sales manager text me on Monday saying no update on the issue is available. I wonder if this information is widespread or contained amongst certain dealers? Anyway, thanks for sharing this update.

Maverik259 · 11-19-2020, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juceman

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAMA

Just got this from a source since BMW is not willing to elaborate on the problem.

Dear Sir or Madam, An incorrect behavior in the diagnosis of the tank ventilation was found in the vehicles. The first time an error is detected, an entry is made in the error memory. If the error is recognized again in the second driving cycle, the MIL is activated. This MIL activation is suppressed because the diagnosis locks itself after the first error detection. The diagnosis does not run a second time. In addition, the catalytic converter and lambda probe diagnosis is blocked. For the F9x G80 G82 series, based on the chassis number selection, BMW AG has decided on a worldwide delivery block and an emissions-related recall in the US, Canada, Korea and China markets. In the remaining markets, the implementation takes place as a technical action with customer notification. Please arrange for the control units to be reprogrammed on the vehicles concerned (according to the chassis number selection) before the vehicle is delivered. In the case of vehicles that have already been delivered, the customer is to be requested to visit the workshop at short notice in accordance with the enclosed text proposal. Note: ISTA 4 with installed E service data package is required for programming / coding. The error correction is included from the following 1-level version: I-level S15A-20-11-533 or more recent (probably available from ISTA 4.26.35, publication planned from week 48) 1-level S18A-20-11-533 or more recent (expected to be available from ISTA 4.26.35, publication planned from week 48) Note: It is imperative to ensure that programming is carried out with the above-mentioned or a more recent l-level!

So does this mean they actually have a fix, but don't intend to apply it in the US market (and others you listed)? If I misinterpreted, then someone please help make sense of this for me (or us).

My sales manager text me on Monday saying no update on the issue is available. I wonder if this information is widespread or contained amongst certain dealers? Anyway, thanks for sharing this update.

It says recall for US market...

///WeissBisBlau · 11-19-2020, 06:49 PM

I spoke to an SA about this today, and he was aware of the issue, and said that a fix was on the way, but wasn’t ready for the US yet.

jensputzier · 11-20-2020, 01:22 AM

I got a letter from BMW dated 11/15 that the issue will be fixed by reprogramming the car.

nv6425 · 11-20-2020, 09:06 AM

I spoke to the GM at my dealer this morning and he confirmed it will be a software fix and it should be available early next week at the latest.

Fingers crossed for all of you whom are awaiting delivery!

Enzo Montana · 11-20-2020, 09:09 AM

My car has been at the port since 11/9 the fix has been done i can pick up car 11/21 if i want. check with your dealers. This was yesterday's status.

MiamiCarLover · 11-20-2020, 10:07 AM

I just spoke with my SA. My car arrived in Brunswick GA on the Orion Highway a couple days ago. Software update was already done and
Vehicle has already been released to trucker for shipment. Just to clarify it's only software related and the fix has been done so don't let them
Tell you it's still pending or they don't have a solution.

wtlaw · 11-20-2020, 11:40 AM

Anyone has info about the VPC at the Baltimore Port ?
Is the software update being done at that site ?
My tracking still has me at the Port since 11-13 and not yet in transit.
Anyone ???

cosmolaris · 11-20-2020, 11:44 AM

Try calling BMW Genius, it may be fixed already and released to carrier. The tracking on the site is delayed.

M-inent · 11-20-2020, 08:33 PM

I called my SA to confirm our earlier conversation that the car would be updated Monday and will be available for delivery by Tuesday or Wed.

They confirmed that everything remains on track!

Looks like the 23rd fix for dealerships is lining up with conversations posted on the Board.

I'm 80% convinced with a 20% holdback, until I hear its done Monday LOL!

Good luck to all!

11-13-2020, 12:31 PM	#46
ashmostro Brigadier General 1251 Rep 4,087 Posts Drives: 2020 M4cs \| 2022 M550i Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Falls Church, VA iTrader: (27)	Now that I think about it, I’m fairly certain that’s why the communication has sucked. I bet BMW is working closely with govt agencies and being provided very strict guidelines to operate within in order to avoid the aforementioned enforcement actions from happening. They’re probably being advised on what to say, when to say it, and who to say it to.
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ashmostro Brigadier General 1251 Rep 4,087 Posts Drives: 2020 M4cs \| 2022 M550i Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Falls Church, VA iTrader: (27)	Apparently the fault results in a CEL not being thrown when it should, if a certain type of ventilation failure occurs. Minimizing the ventilation of fuel vapor into atmosphere is one of the areas that emissions regulations attempt to control tightly. Not just combusted exhaust.
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rccarps2 First Lieutenant 336 Rep 316 Posts Drives: 2023 XM and 2023 X7 40i Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Philadelphia, PA iTrader: (0)	In this day and age, the lack of updates/communication is astounding. I can sympathize that the situation may be very fluid, but not a single official statement since the generic "stop hold" is bordering insane. Leaving dealers and customers twisting like this as bad as it can get be. My gut tells me the hold was a knee jerk reaction, as BMW obviously did not have a plan/fix in place to address the issue. The fact that current owners have been told nothing is also BS. How can you put a stop delivery on EVERY M car (M5, M8, X5M, X6M, and X4M) sitting on a dealer lot, new or used, and not tell people that are currently driving them around with their families what is going on. If I had my car and was driving around, I think I would be concerned. Cars can't be delivered/sold, but sure.... you can continue driving whatever is out there. Just frustrated, as the hold that seems to have no end in sight is having me juggle around a lot of scheduled plans, appointments, travel, etc. Anyways... done my rant. __________________ Current - Second 2023 XM (first one was taken back by BMW) and 2023 X7 40i Past - 2009 X5 35d, 2011 MB E350, 2011 740i, 2015 X5 35d, 2018 M550i, 2019 X5 40i, 2021 M5C
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Pinky1776 New Member 6 Rep 8 Posts Drives: BMW M5 Competition Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Miami, Florida, USA iTrader: (0)	BMW NA could do a better job communicating directly with consumers. My dealer's been great about keeping me updated, but if I didn't have BimmerPost to hear other buyers also experiencing stop-sales, I would've really wanted to also hear direct communication from BMW NA... just so that I'd know that it wasn't my dealer yanking my chain. At any rate, it looks like the M5s are going to get an update on the 18th if they're at the port and on the 23th if they're at the dealer which would mean pickup on the 24th! __________________ '21 BMW M5 Competition Backup car: '09 GMC Yukon Denali
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Pinky1776 New Member 6 Rep 8 Posts Drives: BMW M5 Competition Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Miami, Florida, USA iTrader: (0)	Yeah, not great that it's Thanksgiving week. Any hiccup or delay and I'd/we'd have to wait perhaps another week. But I'm just so glad that at least there's a timeframe. __________________ '21 BMW M5 Competition Backup car: '09 GMC Yukon Denali
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11-18-2020, 07:45 PM	#54
nv6425 Lieutenant 64 Rep 481 Posts Drives: X7 Dark Shadow Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0)	Has anybody heard anything BMW North America on this? __________________ ///M
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GAMA ///Mflight Member 933 Rep 395 Posts Drives: 2021 BMW M5 F90 Comp Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ansbach, Germany iTrader: (1) Garage List 2024 BMW X5M F95 LCI [10.00] 2019 BMW X2 M35i [8.75] 2015 BMW X5M F85 [6.00]	Just got this from a source since BMW is not willing to elaborate on the problem. Dear Sir or Madam, An incorrect behavior in the diagnosis of the tank ventilation was found in the vehicles. The first time an error is detected, an entry is made in the error memory. If the error is recognized again in the second driving cycle, the MIL is activated. This MIL activation is suppressed because the diagnosis locks itself after the first error detection. The diagnosis does not run a second time. In addition, the catalytic converter and lambda probe diagnosis is blocked. For the F9x G80 G82 series, based on the chassis number selection, BMW AG has decided on a worldwide delivery block and an emissions-related recall in the US, Canada, Korea and China markets. In the remaining markets, the implementation takes place as a technical action with customer notification. Please arrange for the control units to be reprogrammed on the vehicles concerned (according to the chassis number selection) before the vehicle is delivered. In the case of vehicles that have already been delivered, the customer is to be requested to visit the workshop at short notice in accordance with the enclosed text proposal. Note: ISTA 4 with installed E service data package is required for programming / coding. The error correction is included from the following 1-level version: I-level S15A-20-11-533 or more recent (probably available from ISTA 4.26.35, publication planned from week 48) 1-level S18A-20-11-533 or more recent (expected to be available from ISTA 4.26.35, publication planned from week 48) Note: It is imperative to ensure that programming is carried out with the above-mentioned or a more recent l-level!
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///WeissBisBlau Captain 265 Rep 720 Posts Drives: ‘21 M5C Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: AL iTrader: (0)	I spoke to an SA about this today, and he was aware of the issue, and said that a fix was on the way, but wasn’t ready for the US yet.
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11-20-2020, 09:09 AM	#62
Enzo Montana Private First Class 140 Rep 176 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: NYC & NJ iTrader: (0)	My car has been at the port since 11/9 the fix has been done i can pick up car 11/21 if i want. check with your dealers. This was yesterday's status. Attached Images
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wtlaw New Member 27 Rep 28 Posts Drives: '21 M5C,93 911RSA,'08 F430 Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Upper Midwest iTrader: (0)	Anyone has info about the VPC at the Baltimore Port ? Is the software update being done at that site ? My tracking still has me at the Port since 11-13 and not yet in transit. Anyone ???
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M-inent New Member 21 Rep 14 Posts Drives: 2008 E60 M5, 2021 M5C. Pending Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Tallahassee iTrader: (0)	I called my SA to confirm our earlier conversation that the car would be updated Monday and will be available for delivery by Tuesday or Wed. They confirmed that everything remains on track! Looks like the 23rd fix for dealerships is lining up with conversations posted on the Board. I'm 80% convinced with a 20% holdback, until I hear its done Monday LOL! Good luck to all!
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