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      10-04-2019, 01:31 PM   #23
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As others have said ceramic coating will not stop nicks and scratches. Ppf will.

That said my bluestone is already chipped up. When it gets bad enough I'll have it resprayed with axaulta products and I'll be good to go.

Most factory paint is fair at best. Bmw paint looks nice wears like poo. I complained to my dealer who said it was caused by driving debris ridden roads, tailgating or spinning my wheels. Nothing is their fault.
Ironically, even in the forum many people are very quick to blame the driver. Brakes squeak? Guess the driver didn't bed them properly. Paint chips? Guess the car isn't being detailed or washed properly.

I understand people are naturally defensive of a car they paid six figures for but as much as I enjoy this car and as amazing as I think it is, it is not without flaws.
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      10-05-2019, 06:17 AM   #24
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I collected my showroom car with 23 miles on it. However, it must have been sat in the showroom for a LONG time enduring regular dry detailing because it was a swirl fest. The same sort of damage you would expect after 10k miles of poor washing. Also, 600 miles in and already a number of visible stone chips on the front bumper.

The paint is soft but no softer than any other BMW or Audi I have owned over the years. I think this is characteristic of modern water-based paints. As others have said, the only solution is PPF. I can live with it.

What is unacceptable, however, is the quality of finish inside the engine bay. I have never seen anything like it in my 25 years of owning and working on vehicles. Sure, it's an engine bay and mostly out of sight but it looks like it was sprayed in a desert during a sandstorm.

See below. All those bits and imperfections are under the paint. Seriously, it is that bad and looks even worse in person. If I was buying used I would be concerned that it was accident repaired and resprayed by a idiot.
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      10-05-2019, 06:59 AM   #25
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I collected my showroom car with 23 miles on it. However, it must have been sat in the showroom for a LONG time enduring regular dry detailing because it was a swirl fest. The same sort of damage you would expect after 10k miles of poor washing. Also, 600 miles in and already a number of visible stone chips on the front bumper.

The paint is soft but no softer than any other BMW or Audi I have owned over the years. I think this is characteristic of modern water-based paints. As others have said, the only solution is PPF. I can live with it.

What is unacceptable, however, is the quality of finish inside the engine bay. I have never seen anything like it in my 25 years of owning and working on vehicles. Sure, it's an engine bay and mostly out of sight but it looks like it was sprayed in a desert during a sandstorm.

See below. All those bits and imperfections are under the paint. Seriously, it is that bad and looks even worse in person. If I was buying used I would be concerned that it was accident repaired and resprayed by a idiot.
How is this even possible? Looks like manually sprayed with a can...
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My car must lead a charmed life, as its pristine Bluestone body remains chip-less after 10,000 miles.
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My car must lead a charmed life, as its pristine Bluestone body remains chip-less after 10,000 miles.
Maybe 'cause there are no rocks in Florida? Seriously, I spent a year in Florida and, being a rock climber from the mountains, one of the things I noticed was there were no rocks. Plus they obviously don't throw down any gravel in the winter, so... No rocks, no gravel, no chips.
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If you're an owner that likes your paint to look perfect PPF is your only choice ... not cheap but neither is this car. I opted to do the whole car and it is one of the best decisions I've made.

After having the paint corrected the PPF was installed and so far so good .... the best part outside of the protection is the minimal maintenance required to keep the car looking exceptionally well. Recently I noticed a good size scratch on one of my doors and luckily the PPF prevented the paint from any damage ... poured hot water on the PPF and the scratch disappeared ... it's self healing. I've now owned the car a year ... zero nicks, scratches or chips and the paint looks as perfect as the day it was corrected.

Those who own dark cars can appreciate how difficult it is to keep the paint looking new and swirl free ..... coming from a BSM F10 M5 (no PPF) and now a SG M5C I can tell you the difference is night and day.

Some will argue why do this on a lease? Well, because I like my cars to look as perfect as possible even if I only keep it 3 years.
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As others have said ceramic coating will not stop nicks and scratches. Ppf will.


Most factory paint is fair at best. Bmw paint looks nice wears like poo.
Laughed out loud on that one. Cover that poo in PPF.
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Maybe 'cause there are no rocks in Florida? Seriously, I spent a year in Florida and, being a rock climber from the mountains, one of the things I noticed was there were no rocks. Plus they obviously don't throw down any gravel in the winter, so... No rocks, no gravel, no chips.
We got blue hairs throwin' up all that damn sand tho. PPF the whole car. Worth it.
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YES! Same issue here. On a 2015 328i and 2020 M340. Both have crazy soft paint. The cars are beyond destroyed from rock chips after a few months. I've never seen anything like it. We also had a Toyota Corolla that had 200k miles on it and the paint was in much better shape. I swear the 328 needs repainted, something ruined the clear coat. The Toyota sat next to it for the last 3 years, without being washed, and its paint is in better shape by far.
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If you're an owner that likes your paint to look perfect PPF is your only choice ... not cheap but neither is this car. I opted to do the whole car and it is one of the best decisions I've made.

After having the paint corrected the PPF was installed and so far so good .... the best part outside of the protection is the minimal maintenance required to keep the car looking exceptionally well. Recently I noticed a good size scratch on one of my doors and luckily the PPF prevented the paint from any damage ... poured hot water on the PPF and the scratch disappeared ... it's self healing. I've now owned the car a year ... zero nicks, scratches or chips and the paint looks as perfect as the day it was corrected.

Those who own dark cars can appreciate how difficult it is to keep the paint looking new and swirl free ..... coming from a BSM F10 M5 (no PPF) and now a SG M5C I can tell you the difference is night and day.

Some will argue why do this on a lease? Well, because I like my cars to look as perfect as possible even if I only keep it 3 years.
Can you say what color you have? Who installed it and approx cost for entire car? Thanks.
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If you're an owner that likes your paint to look perfect PPF is your only choice ... not cheap but neither is this car. I opted to do the whole car and it is one of the best decisions I've made.

After having the paint corrected the PPF was installed and so far so good .... the best part outside of the protection is the minimal maintenance required to keep the car looking exceptionally well. Recently I noticed a good size scratch on one of my doors and luckily the PPF prevented the paint from any damage ... poured hot water on the PPF and the scratch disappeared ... it's self healing. I've now owned the car a year ... zero nicks, scratches or chips and the paint looks as perfect as the day it was corrected.

Those who own dark cars can appreciate how difficult it is to keep the paint looking new and swirl free ..... coming from a BSM F10 M5 (no PPF) and now a SG M5C I can tell you the difference is night and day.

Some will argue why do this on a lease? Well, because I like my cars to look as perfect as possible even if I only keep it 3 years.
Can you say what color you have? Who installed it and approx cost for entire car? Thanks.
Color is Singapore Grey and the PPF was done through Velos in Miami.

I believe I paid around $4k IIRC.
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How is this even possible? Looks like manually sprayed with a can...
The only explanation I can think off is a failure in the dip/prep or that dust/debris was trapped somewhere inside the engine bay and was blown out whilst the body shell was in paint.

What I don't understand is how it passed QC before moving to assembly? A few bits under the paint would go unnoticed in an engine bay but this stands out as soon as you open the bonnet.
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The paint is soft but no softer than any other BMW or Audi I have owned over the years.
Audi paint is rock hard compared to BMW. I've been amazed how tough the paint has been on our Audis. It takes a massive hit to chip it.
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Yes yes yes --- same issue here. At first I thought it was my special order Azurite Black Metallic color, but now I see it is happening to a lot of owners. Surprised and disappointed, as our Porsches and Audis have paint that wears like iron. Guess if is PPF for me if there is a next time ...
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I had my car delivered to the Performance Center, and then had my detailer pick up the car with his covered trailer. The car got PPF and Modesta coating before it was ever driven a single mile on a public road.
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Hesitate to ask but are you driving quite close to cars in front of you?
Closer you are the more likely you are going to get Debris thrown up by said cars.

I have a 540 3 years old and mine is fine.
I don't let anyone else wash it including the dealership and with the right cleaning methodology, I have no swirl marks that I can see. Problem is most cars are cleaned incorrectly which is what damages the paintwork.

Agree with you the paint is easily damaged but with the proper care it can be fine.
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I don't get the heavy push for PPF'ing the whole vehicle . It reminds me of my grandmother keeping plastic covers on her nice sofa to protect the fabric. No matter how high quality the PPF it still looks artificial, lacks the luster and shine of the original paint, and eventually starts to peel at the edges. I speak from experience because I have my M5 coated with PPF along the leading edge of the hood and the front bumper, and after 19 months I can definitely tell where water is getting under the edges. And it's not a case of "bad installer." Take your lickin' with chips and small scratches, I say, and get a new car every 3 years.
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I don't get the heavy push for PPF'ing the whole vehicle . It reminds me of my grandmother keeping plastic covers on her nice sofa to protect the fabric. No matter how high quality the PPF it still looks artificial, lacks the luster and shine of the original paint, and eventually starts to peel at the edges. I speak from experience because I have my M5 coated with PPF along the leading edge of the hood and the front bumper, and after 19 months I can definitely tell where water is getting under the edges. And it's not a case of "bad installer." Take your lickin' with chips and small scratches, I say, and get a new car every 3 years.


yea.. it's just a bmw... it isn't an exotic. lol,. just drive the thing.
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BMW paint is well known to be quite soft, even when I owned my M3 back in 2008 I knew not to go near an automatic car wash.
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OptiCoat Pro Plus and 5k miles in I have no chips or swirls. But I live in California, not NJ. I did have a bird shit spot on the roof etch into the clear coat a bit and I had to lightly compound it out. But the paint is still great. I have found the paint on prior BMWs to be way too soft though, so I came into this one expecting that it would look rough after a few years.
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I don't get the heavy push for PPF'ing the whole vehicle . It reminds me of my grandmother keeping plastic covers on her nice sofa to protect the fabric. No matter how high quality the PPF it still looks artificial, lacks the luster and shine of the original paint, and eventually starts to peel at the edges.
Agree 100%. If you think it's bad here, visit any Porsche forum and you'll get attacked if you don't think PPF'ing every inch of the car the day you buy it is required. I'm often reminded of that song from Little Shop of Horrors - "Somewhere That's Green"...
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Ceramic Coating has nothing to do with chip protection. PPF is the only way to help prevent chips and of course is around $3k for decent work and protection.

Are your cars black by any chance?
well said, thats the only solution to avoid chips and scratchs
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