M5 vs. Ghibli

[eleven11]

Originally Posted by mango14

But in east TN., we have tons of gorgeous curvy roads and mountain scenery

Eric Witt with Tru Shine detailing is near you. He's one of the best around, and did my Opticoat installation, in case you need a good detailer.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by elitex

I drove a ghibli SQ4 not too long ago. First thing I noticed was an extremely slow throttle response. Shifting into sport mode did nothing. Deal breaker for me.

That's what you expect from a Chrysler engine. No surprise there.

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

That's what you expect from a Chrysler engine. No surprise there.

I believe only the Diesel engine is Chrysler. The gas motors are Ferrari.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by ColdList

I believe only the Diesel engine is Chrysler. The gas motors are Ferrari.

Yep. They kept saying that it's built by Ferrari, but I think the block is from chrysler. Apparently California T is going to have a version of this engine. I think California will have different internals and flat crank.

I will say this, it sounded good for a Turbo V6.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

That's what you expect from a Chrysler engine. No surprise there.

I really wanted to like this car but there's too much Chrysler in this car. They'll have a TTV8 option soon, but it still doesn't take the Chrysler away from the car.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by ColdList

I believe only the Diesel engine is Chrysler. The gas motors are Ferrari.

I don't think they are. They were "tuned" by Ferrari which is a big difference. It's like when Lotus used to tune GM engines in Europe.

If this is a Ferrari engine, then all I can say is that Ferrari must have a really shit power train team.

[soooma]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

I don't think they are. They were "tuned" by Ferrari which is a big difference. It's like when Lotus used to tune GM engines in Europe.

If this is a Ferrari engine, then all I can say is that Ferrari must have a really shit power train team.

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by elitex

Yep. They kept saying that it's built by Ferrari, but I think the block is from chrysler. Apparently California T is going to have a version of this engine. I think California will have different internals and flat crank.

I will say this, it sounded good for a Turbo V6.

The California T is a flat plane crank V8 Turbo built by Ferrari.

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

I don't think they are. They were "tuned" by Ferrari which is a big difference. It's like when Lotus used to tune GM engines in Europe.

If this is a Ferrari engine, then all I can say is that Ferrari must have a really shit power train team.

They build the Quattroporte engine and it is de-tuned intentionally as well.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by ColdList

The California T is a flat plane crank V8 Turbo built by Ferrari.

I stand corrected. You're right, they'll using a version of the quattroporte v8.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by ColdList

They build the Quattroporte engine and it is de-tuned intentionally as well.

The Quattroporte design is certainly a fully bottom up Ferrari design that is detuned as you say. Also a pretty poor engine.

In fact I don't think saying a Maserati has a Ferrari engine means anything:
- Ferrari has always been known for chassis development not for their engines
- In F1 people have been saying Mercedes has better engines for about 15 years now
- with the latest turbo engines Mercedes is totally thrashing Ferrari in F1
- If I think of the truly great sportscar engines I think McLaren, AMG, Porsche and VW Groups various entities.
-from what I can tell the engine in your TTS crushes the one in the 458 on any objective measure

so bottom line - Ferrari engine - just bragging right but no substance behind it.

[ColdList]

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

so bottom line - Ferrari engine - just bragging right but no substance behind it.

Can't argue with that but wow is that 458 GORGEOUS and the sound is PURE BLISS!

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by ColdList

Can't argue with that but wow is that 458 GORGEOUS and the sound is PURE BLISS!

Absolutely. Would love to drive one!

The Italians are masters of drama.

[Mbdurham17]

I saw one of these for the first time on my way home from work today. I did not think it was visually appealing in the least.