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      08-22-2021, 09:29 AM   #1365
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just started laying the backsplash tiles and so far easy peasy!



Hate to critique other people's work,

First I never seen foam sprayed in around electrical outlets, most foams are not rated in that kind of applications. This could be an issue since foam can absorb water over time from the environment and I would recommend removing it. If this was done for cold air reason the foam should have been put in around the outside the plug box to prevent air going through the outlet box.

Next and this would have made your life a little easier especially when you go to put covers on the outlets. The tile on the top and bottom of the outlets should be under the metal tabs of the outlet. You want the outlets mounted flush and tight against the tile. Otherwise your outlet will be floating when you place the outlet covers on the outlets and will move around when you try to plug and unplugs thing and eventually the outs may break. Trust me on this, the previous owners of our house did it your way and I had broken cover plates and outlets over the years. We just remodel our kitchen and redid the back splash and I made sure the plug tabs sat on top of the tiles and they mounted firm to the tile surface. It does require longer screws and Lowes and Home Depot carry them.
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First I never seen foam sprayed in around electrical outlets, most foams are not rated in that kind of applications. This could be an issue since foam can absorb water over time from the environment and I would recommend removing it. If this was done for cold air reason the foam should have been put in around the outside the plug box to prevent air going through the outlet box.

Next and this would have made your life a little easier especially when you go to put covers on the outlets. The tile on the top and bottom of the outlets should be under the metal tabs of the outlet. You want the outlets mounted flush and tight against the tile. Otherwise your outlet will be floating when you place the outlet covers on the outlets and will move around when you try to plug and unplugs thing and eventually the outs may break. Trust me on this, the previous owners of our house did it your way and I had broken cover plates and outlets over the years. We just remodel our kitchen and redid the back splash and I made sure the plug tabs sat on top of the tiles and they mounted firm to the tile surface. It does require longer screws and Lowes and Home Depot carry them.
Would also add that the plugs pictured are installed upside down.
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Would also add that the plugs pictured are installed upside down.
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Would also add that the plugs pictured are installed upside down.
I disagree. Most North American outlets are installed upside-down, but those are not!

From an electrician that I trust, the ground pin should always be on the top. The reason he gave was that someone dropping a conductive item near the wall where a plug wasn't 100% seated will have that item hit the ground pin first, and then short to either neutral or hot as it falls. He claimed that it provided the best chance for popping the breaker, instead of shocking a person trying to catch/retrieve the item.....
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I disagree. Most North American outlets are installed upside-down, but those are not!

From an electrician that I trust, the ground pin should always be on the top. The reason he gave was that someone dropping a conductive item near the wall where a plug wasn't 100% seated will have that item hit the ground pin first, and then short to either neutral or hot as it falls. He claimed that it provided the best chance for popping the breaker, instead of shocking a person trying to catch/retrieve the item.....
What's more likely to happen, someone dropping conductive material against a wall and potentially making contact with exposed contact points, or a person unplugging something from the duplex. When unplugging any item, your forefinger is retracted, the thumb extends outward. If any electrical item is being unplugged, there is a far greater likelihood of your forefinger making contact with the positive and negative terminals on the bottom versus something falling and making contact. I don't know how many people have dropped conductive material, against a wall, and try to catch it, but I imagine there are far more people unplugging things. Duplexes can be installed in any direction, there is no set upside/downside.
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What's more likely to happen, someone dropping conductive material against a wall and potentially making contact with exposed contact points, or a person unplugging something from the duplex. When unplugging any item, your forefinger is retracted, the thumb extends outward. If any electrical item is being unplugged, there is a far greater likelihood of your forefinger making contact with the positive and negative terminals on the bottom versus something falling and making contact. I don't know how many people have dropped conductive material, against a wall, and try to catch it, but I imagine there are far more people unplugging things. Duplexes can be installed in any direction, there is no set upside/downside.
Here in NS the ground pin is down in residential buildings and up in commercial buildings. I'm not sure if it's code or not but it seems to be the way electricians are taught here. ( I've asked a few different electricians over the years.)
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Here in NS the ground pin is down in residential buildings and up in commercial buildings. I'm not sure if it's code or not but it seems to be the way electricians are taught here. ( I've asked a few different electricians over the years.)
I will say that the only time that I notice a variation is for outlets that are switch controlled. I see a lot of those turned upside down to differentiate.
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I will say that the only time that I notice a variation is for outlets that are switch controlled. I see a lot of those turned upside down to differentiate.
The first time I noticed an outlet "upside down" was while waiting at the hospital a number of years ago. It caught my attention partly because it was upside down and partly because it was bright orange. Apparently the orange colour indicates a dedicated circuit of some sort.
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I will say that the only time that I notice a variation is for outlets that are switch controlled. I see a lot of those turned upside down to differentiate.
The first time I noticed an outlet "upside down" was while waiting at the hospital a number of years ago. It caught my attention partly because it was upside down and partly because it was bright orange. Apparently the orange colour indicates a dedicated circuit of some sort.
Yep. The orange ones are usually reserved for the ultra sensitive equipment. Has to be isolated from the usual grounding.

Last time I was in the hospital I needed a plug for my charger. Guess who got a crash course on light socket colors in the hospital.

Red is for emergency back up'd attached to generator so life saving equipment would be my guess. Or iPhone charger but they didn't agree.

Blue is generic. Regular ground but with alarms if there is an incident.
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Yep. The orange ones are usually reserved for the ultra sensitive equipment. Has to be isolated from the usual grounding.

Last time I was in the hospital I needed a plug for my charger. Guess who got a crash course on light socket colors in the hospital.

Red is for emergency back up'd attached to generator so life saving equipment would be my guess. Or iPhone charger but they didn't agree.

Blue is generic. Regular ground but with alarms if there is an incident.
Perhaps you appear too old to belong to the generation that is biologically attached to their phone, ie. if it dies, they die. LOL
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Yep. The orange ones are usually reserved for the ultra sensitive equipment. Has to be isolated from the usual grounding.

Last time I was in the hospital I needed a plug for my charger. Guess who got a crash course on light socket colors in the hospital.

Red is for emergency back up'd attached to generator so life saving equipment would be my guess. Or iPhone charger but they didn't agree.

Blue is generic. Regular ground but with alarms if there is an incident.
Perhaps you appear too old to belong to the generation that is biologically attached to their phone, ie. if it dies, they die. LOL
Well, my logic was sound. If I stick my white charger into a RED socket, surely I won't forget my charger on the way out, lol.
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ground up or down is more of a preference of the electrician, or the client, than anything. No NEC requirement for it (i havent looked through the latest version but i cant imagine its changed), but i have seen some local codes address it either way.

what i usually see is ground up for switched, ground down for unswitched to differentiate the two.

Ive always installed ground down fwiw. easier to not touch the live prongs of a plug if you can see them when you are unplugging.

I will say ive never seen foam in a box, and I cant imagine that is a good idea. If for nothing else, when you have to replace that outlet, its going to be a pita. I believe it is against the NEC as well.
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The first time I noticed an outlet "upside down" was while waiting at the hospital a number of years ago. It caught my attention partly because it was upside down and partly because it was bright orange. Apparently the orange colour indicates a dedicated circuit of some sort.
Yup. Isolated ground. Will continue to provide power if the breaker is tripped.
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Decided to finish the basement.

We're going to add a second kitchen and bathroom with a shower and 2 sinks. We'll have to cut the concrete for pluming. Dad said he can do that

Drywall we'll probably put on ourselves but have someone sand and paint it.

Still a long way to go but they don't have to use the minivan to haul studs since I can bring an F-150 from work
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First I never seen foam sprayed in around electrical outlets, most foams are not rated in that kind of applications. This could be an issue since foam can absorb water over time from the environment and I would recommend removing it. If this was done for cold air reason the foam should have been put in around the outside the plug box to prevent air going through the outlet box.

Next and this would have made your life a little easier especially when you go to put covers on the outlets. The tile on the top and bottom of the outlets should be under the metal tabs of the outlet. You want the outlets mounted flush and tight against the tile. Otherwise your outlet will be floating when you place the outlet covers on the outlets and will move around when you try to plug and unplugs thing and eventually the outs may break. Trust me on this, the previous owners of our house did it your way and I had broken cover plates and outlets over the years. We just remodel our kitchen and redid the back splash and I made sure the plug tabs sat on top of the tiles and they mounted firm to the tile surface. It does require longer screws and Lowes and Home Depot carry them.
according to the Ohio UBC the spray foam is only applied on outlets that are on the exterior walls, not internal. this helps with insulation purposes. believe me when i opened them i was like wtf is this? but i used a plastic tool to remove the insulation cause i will be replace all the outlets with new outlets and new covers. for the spray foam insulation there's new outlet covers that have foams backings. 2nd no issues with removing the outlets when the tiles were applied. i took the picture before hand



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so here's one section that's done with grout now. everything is turning out great! will work on the other walls over the next few days. just need to replace the outlets with new and do touch up paint to clean things up





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so here's one section that's done with grout now. everything is turning out great! will work on the other walls over the next few days. just need to replace the outlets with new and do touch up paint to clean things up
Stellar work as usual brother. Looks great!
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I guess I should share with everyone, here is one of our Covid projects.

The wife and I did the entire kitchen and laundry room ourselves (except the counter tops, had them professionally installed) and completed all the work in 4 months. This included tearing everything out and having to completely rewire the kitchen due the crazy way it was done. The kitchen had four circuits with the Refrig and garbage disposal tired to the dinning room plugs. They had stuffed all the wires in the bulk head and they were not long enough to put above the cabinets. The previous owner mortar the floor tile on top of original linoleum, could not believe they did that but it was blessing we were able to lift the tile by getting under the linoleum and breaking. If some want to remove the new floor they better bring jack hammers. We were able to use the kitchen the entire time, we were without the sink and counter tops for only a few days.

The last few pictures had 99% of it done there were a few minor things left to complete when I took those photos. We lived in the house 17 year and the kitchen was the last room to be remodel. We had to knock the 90's out of the room. We have done every room in the house and I installed movie theater in the basement. Our plan is to sell it in the next year since we are in the process of building a new home on 7.5 acres. The kitchen was test a run for the new house to see what we did and did not like about the cabinets and some other things. Definitely going with all Drawers verse Cabinets, way more useful and easy to get access to your stuff.
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alright guys kitchen upgrade is done, now it's time to figure out how to do this LED lighting!




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