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      02-16-2020, 01:49 PM   #89
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Would drag radials do anything for our cars? Or does the all wheel drive completely negate their benefit.
I don't think you really need them until you get into the low 10's. Above 10.2 I don't really get much spin.
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I would hate to race his tuned/pulleyed Hellcat vs our M5 from ANYTHING but a dig. 30-100 roll his 900+ HP will prob eat our M5s alive. Well maybe not HTs M5 but he's riding a unicorn lol.

Take him to some twistes and that's a whole different story.
They need more of like a 60+ pull on street tires. Even third gear will just spin. From a dig they need some r888 or drag radials of some sort and a full burnout and prepped track. Really hard for them to get a 9. Everything has to line up perfectly.

Nice thing about these M5, heavier and all. They can run low 10's all day any day on any surface.
Would drag radials do anything for our cars? Or does the all wheel drive completely negate their benefit.
Depends how much power you're pushing. A stage 2 F90 on E30 will spin all 4 wheels
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Boost is already going 1-2 psi above request on it's own and not sure I want to push it more. It's about where it was when I was running map6 with +6. It seems to me the sweet spot is 5-6 above stock request.

Trims are low, timing is good and throttle is maxed. I don't think it has much more in it. Maybe I could get another 10th with adding 1-2lbs and another 10th by removing seats. Neither seem worth it at this point though.
if target ECU boost is 25psi, you are seeing real boost of 26-27psi? interesting. how much extra boost is that from stock?

would you consider doing hybrid turbo upgrades? do you think you'd trap 143mph with hybrid turbos or more like 145mph?
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keller downpipes or keller downpipes + midpipes?

remus catback exhaust?

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catback exhaust: $3.6k
downpipes: $2k
midpipe: $1.6k
intake: $3.3k
tune: $2.5k
weistec meth: $1.5k
jb4: $1k

$15.5k before any labor/dyno time and i might be missing some parts

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keller downpipes or keller downpipes + midpipes?

remus catback exhaust?

quick possible price quote

catback exhaust: $3.6k
downpipes: $2k
midpipe: $1.6k
intake: $3.3k
tune: $2.5k
weistec meth: $1.5k
jb4: $1k

$15.5k before any labor/dyno time and i might be missing some parts
I don't know that turbo do much for the F90. For me it's not worth it, I could pick up more time much easier if I wanted to be going out for a better DA, getting on a prepped track and removing seats. Those alone would help more than I think turbos will. I'm not really willing to do any of those things. Unfortunately where I live I'm 935 above sea level so even if the temps drop my DA never really does until it gets in the 30's and then I don't get traction. The guys on the East Coast are able to get -1000 to -2000 and still have 40-50 degree temps. Huge advantage, especially if you have a prepped track to launch as well.

Those prices seem about right but you forgot to add the price of the amazing driver.. lmao

I have Keller upper and lower catless downpipes and the Remus is a full system that goes from the lower DP's all the way back.
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I don't know that turbo do much for the F90. For me it's not worth it, I could pick up more time much easier if I wanted to be going out for a better DA, getting on a prepped track and removing seats. Those alone would help more than I think turbos will. I'm not really willing to do any of those things. Unfortunately where I live I'm 935 above sea level so even if the temps drop my DA never really does until it gets in the 30's and then I don't get traction. The guys on the East Coast are able to get -1000 to -2000 and still have 40-50 degree temps. Huge advantage, especially if you have a prepped track to launch as well.

Those prices seem about right but you forgot to add the price of the amazing driver.. lmao

I have Keller upper and lower catless downpipes and the Remus is a full system that goes from the lower DP's all the way back.
That is cheap $ for the impressive results. Killer.
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The guys on the East Coast are able to get -1000 to -2000 and still have 40-50 degree temps. Huge advantage, especially if you have a prepped track to launch as well..
If you are running 9.89s @ 139.37mph @ 1845 DA, what do you think your time would be at -1000 or -2000 DA?

I think turbos would bring some improvements, I just don't know how long until your engine explodes.

How much did you pay all in you think? $20k parts + labor + dyno time + custom tuning time or closer to $25k?
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Always have that fear in the back of my mind but I don't drive it like this on a daily

I put a lower boost tune on it and back to cruising and only doing 10.2's..haha
If your "balls to the wall" tune is target 25 PSI, real 26-27 PSI, what is your target/real PSI when on your "10.2s" tune?
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last thought, sorry for the spam.

this is *JUST* ECU tuning? i am wondering if a TCU tune would help you at all.
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If you are running 9.89s @ 139.37mph @ 1845 DA, what do you think your time would be at -1000 or -2000 DA?

Most of the improvement would be from 3rd gear on. Maybe a tenth or two at these times. I think when you're running an 11.0 sec 1/4 and you gain 3000 or so DA you will pick up as much as 1/2 a second but I'm already pushing the limits so not as much.

I think turbos would bring some improvements, I just don't know how long until your engine explodes.
Yes, but Im not trying to push the car any further. I think I'm pretty close to its limits and to gain a tenth or so isn't worth it for me

How much did you pay all in you think? $20k parts + labor + dyno time + custom tuning time or closer to $25k?
Probably in that range somewhere. Also, have to factor in the interior upgrades, lowering springs and wheels. Thanks for pointing out to me how much I have spent. I was trying not to realize it.. lol

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If your "balls to the wall" tune is target 25 PSI, real 26-27 PSI, what is your target/real PSI when on your "10.2s" tune?
Most stage 2 tunes run 24/25 PSI on 93 octane. If you're running race gas you can get a custom tune with more timing and maybe a little more boost.

In regards to JB4 though, I can run 95octane and get a 10.2 all day on map2 or map6 with additive boost of +5 or +6 after slowing working up and some logging.

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last thought, sorry for the spam.

this is *JUST* ECU tuning? i am wondering if a TCU tune would help you at all.
A TCU tune would help for sure, smoother shifts and more torque to pass through. Unfortunately nobody can TCU tune the 2020's yet. I do believe they can for the 18's and 19's though.
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Amazing results and without TCU tune
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Probably in that range somewhere. Also, have to factor in the interior upgrades, lowering springs and wheels. Thanks for pointing out to me how much I have spent. I was trying not to realize it.. lol



Most stage 2 tunes run 24/25 PSI on 93 octane. If you're running race gas you can get a custom tune with more timing and maybe a little more boost.

In regards to JB4 though, I can run 95octane and get a 10.2 all day on map2 or map6 with additive boost of +5 or +6 after slowing working up and some logging.
Did you ever run map 3 (25psi absolute) on 95-96oct or would you need to be on straight 100oct?
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Did you ever run map 3 (25psi absolute) on 95-96oct or would you need to be on straight 100oct?
I tried map3 only for 1 1/4 mile run. I had the exact same time as I did on map2 so I never messed with it again. At the time I was running MS109 trying to get a 9 sec pass

But, I do think you should be running 100octane fuel for map3. Your 95-96 is perfect for map2
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I don't know that turbo do much for the F90. For me it's not worth it, I could pick up more time much easier if I wanted to be going out for a better DA, getting on a prepped track and removing seats. Those alone would help more than I think turbos will. I'm not really willing to do any of those things. Unfortunately where I live I'm 935 above sea level so even if the temps drop my DA never really does until it gets in the 30's and then I don't get traction. The guys on the East Coast are able to get -1000 to -2000 and still have 40-50 degree temps. Huge advantage, especially if you have a prepped track to launch as well.

Those prices seem about right but you forgot to add the price of the amazing driver.. lmao

I have Keller upper and lower catless downpipes and the Remus is a full system that goes from the lower DP's all the way back.
-2000 is high 20s low 30s and depending on humidity
-1000 is low 40s
-100 is mid-high 50s

my best pass of 10.1 was in 56 degree weather and around -150 DA, warm ground much better traction. otherwise i am consistently doing 10.18-10.22 regardless of -800DA or -2000DA.

your car makes more ponies than mine i would bet you don't run a quicker ET than your 9.89 PB on a regular unprepped road in mid 20 degree weather aka -2000DA. maybe .... maybe with a drag radial and on prepped track. there is no 28" 18,19 or 20" drag radial that I can find... only 17" which wont clear brakes.

on another note, does anyone have a proven TCU tune?
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-2000 is high 20s low 30s and depending on humidity
-1000 is low 40s
-100 is mid-high 50s

my best pass of 10.1 was in 56 degree weather and around -150 DA, warm ground much better traction. otherwise i am consistently doing 10.18-10.22 regardless of -800DA or -2000DA.

your car makes more ponies than mine i would bet you don't run a quicker ET than your 9.89 PB on a regular unprepped road in mid 20 degree weather aka -2000DA. maybe .... maybe with a drag radial and on prepped track. there is no 28" 18,19 or 20" drag radial that I can find... only 17" which wont clear brakes.

on another note, does anyone have a proven TCU tune?
Yea, I hear ya. But, I'll take that even 0 DA all day.. I'm running at 1800's.. lol I'm guessing I would pick up some time for sure just by getting off my hill but it's literally the only place to run.

Evolve has a TCU tune but I can't flash it because my car is a 2020 and femto 1.7 cant read or flash it yet.
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-2000 is high 20s low 30s and depending on humidity
-1000 is low 40s
-100 is mid-high 50s

my best pass of 10.1 was in 56 degree weather and around -150 DA, warm ground much better traction. otherwise i am consistently doing 10.18-10.22 regardless of -800DA or -2000DA.

your car makes more ponies than mine i would bet you don't run a quicker ET than your 9.89 PB on a regular unprepped road in mid 20 degree weather aka -2000DA. maybe .... maybe with a drag radial and on prepped track. there is no 28" 18,19 or 20" drag radial that I can find... only 17" which wont clear brakes.

on another note, does anyone have a proven TCU tune?
Been playing with Evolve tune and gave it a 1/4 mile run tonight. Not bad considering the DA. I didn't think it would be this fast so I held the launch longer than I should have and got a weak 60ft and 0-60 of 2.58 from too much spin

60-130 was kinda slow for 10.1 run at 6.69 but the 1/8th mile made up for it at 6.54 (that's flying, considering my start)

I'll try again in a couple days with some better weather and not on 3/4 tank of fuel. Might be able to crack 9's with it.
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-2000 is high 20s low 30s and depending on humidity
-1000 is low 40s
-100 is mid-high 50s

my best pass of 10.1 was in 56 degree weather and around -150 DA, warm ground much better traction. otherwise i am consistently doing 10.18-10.22 regardless of -800DA or -2000DA.

your car makes more ponies than mine i would bet you don't run a quicker ET than your 9.89 PB on a regular unprepped road in mid 20 degree weather aka -2000DA. maybe .... maybe with a drag radial and on prepped track. there is no 28" 18,19 or 20" drag radial that I can find... only 17" which wont clear brakes.

on another note, does anyone have a proven TCU tune?
Been playing with Evolve tune and gave it a 1/4 mile run tonight. Not bad considering the DA. I didn't think it would be this fast so I held the launch longer than I should have and got a weak 60ft and 0-60 of 2.58 from too much spin

60-130 was kinda slow for 10.1 run at 6.69 but the 1/8th mile made up for it at 6.54 (that's flying, considering my start)

I'll try again in a couple days with some better weather and not on 3/4 tank of fuel. Might be able to crack 9's with it.
Is this for your DD setup on pump or something else?
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Is this for your DD setup on pump or something else?
Yes sir

But, I do like testing out different tunes. I see how this one does and I'll still try out HCP's stuff in BM3 if it ever comes out
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Is this for your DD setup on pump or something else?
Yes sir

But, I do like testing out different tunes. I see how this one does and I'll still try out HCP's stuff in BM3 if it ever comes out
Cool. Glad you're getting toward that established do-nothing-special performance number.

Is that pump or still a blend? The latter I assume.
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Cool. Glad you're getting toward that established do-nothing-special performance number.

Is that pump or still a blend? The latter I assume.
It's still a blend but can run on 93
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-2000 is high 20s low 30s and depending on humidity
-1000 is low 40s
-100 is mid-high 50s

my best pass of 10.1 was in 56 degree weather and around -150 DA, warm ground much better traction. otherwise i am consistently doing 10.18-10.22 regardless of -800DA or -2000DA.

your car makes more ponies than mine i would bet you don't run a quicker ET than your 9.89 PB on a regular unprepped road in mid 20 degree weather aka -2000DA. maybe .... maybe with a drag radial and on prepped track. there is no 28" 18,19 or 20" drag radial that I can find... only 17" which wont clear brakes.

on another note, does anyone have a proven TCU tune?
Dumb ass question on my end but what would a TCU tune do? All I can think of is:

1. let you launch harder/with more torque at a different RPM

2. more clutch slipping for faster shift times (but they are already pretty fast and it's a torqueconverted transmission so i have zero clue what the f*ck i am talking about)

any reports of TCU/ECU pulling power? like "tune protection"?
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Been playing with Evolve tune and gave it a 1/4 mile run tonight. Not bad considering the DA. I didn't think it would be this fast so I held the launch longer than I should have and got a weak 60ft and 0-60 of 2.58 from too much spin

60-130 was kinda slow for 10.1 run at 6.69 but the 1/8th mile made up for it at 6.54 (that's flying, considering my start)

I'll try again in a couple days with some better weather and not on 3/4 tank of fuel. Might be able to crack 9's with it.
dumb question on my end but what is stock boost on your 2020? i'm trying to figure out how much of your tuning success is just "throw another 4-5lb of boost at the platform with a little extra fuel/timing and call it a day"
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