[limeypride]

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

It's actually not possible. The tune overwrites the original tables and numbers that are in the ECU. It's no different than programming software on your computer and making an .exe file to play Call of Duty and then it decides na, I think I'll go back to Pacman.

Maybe, he's suggesting the tune never overwrote the stock file, however both he and you said you noticed a difference in power. And I'm still confused as to how the transmission is playing into this.

I have talked to 1000's of guys on this forum and I think you're the first to have been told that the tranny is the cause of the tune not performing as hoped.

Run while you can, get a refund if at all possible and go buy a know tune that performs.

@op: There's a tranny recall right now—something to do with the harness and dropping into neutral—but if that's the cause of your performance concerns, perhaps you should've been more specific.

I'd go with my gut on this one and, in your shoes, my gut would be telling me—nay, yelling at me—to get a refund and look elsewhere. You are QUITE LITERALLY the only F90 driver that I've heard of with this situation—that speaks volumes.

Regardless, good luck.

[pz619]

So check this link out on the M2 side. Pretty much proves the tune is built on bullshit.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1691609

[DannyA]

Originally Posted by pz619

So check this link out on the M2 side. Pretty much proves the tune is built on bullshit.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1691609

Pathetic excuse.

[AddyDaddy]

Originally Posted by pz619

So check this link out on the M2 side. Pretty much proves the tune is built on bullshit.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1691609

Wow
If you dyno your car they can void coverage. Maybe if you use dragy that interferes with a safety signal also voiding warranty. Sounds legit

[pz619]

Originally Posted by AddyDaddy

Wow
If you dyno your car they can void coverage. Maybe if you use dragy that interferes with a safety signal also voiding warranty. Sounds legit

Also, who the hell ever heard of dyno insurance??! This can't be a thing, right?

I mean legitimately, someone tell me if I'm wrong.

[AddyDaddy]

Originally Posted by pz619

Also, who the hell ever heard of dyno insurance??! This can't be a thing, right?

I mean legitimately, someone tell me if I'm wrong.

I have never heard of or seen such a thing! Never have I seen a tuner or any company say taking your car to the dyno will damage and void contract. Maybe RChip can chime in. But we keep talking like noelle tune is for real. It's exciting to think about 850hp with JUST a tune, but in my eyes it's not physically possible and again there would be real proof out there by now, the smoking tire vid was nothing short of zero.

[Fuel-It!]

That's the problem with "warranty" many companies have loopholes to get out of claims. IIRC Dinan also had a "racing" loophole where if you ran your car in a timed event their warranty was void.

That said I've never heard of any transmission issue? Maybe they are saying if you smoke the transfer case by running on a 2WD dyno don't ask them to pay for it?

[gpdriver17]

The Microsoft paint dyno, coupled with these results, the BS transmission excuse and the fact that Noelle is pushing hard to keep people off the Dyno is enough for any sane person to draw a conclusion...

[gpdriver17]

Originally Posted by AK M5

The point is...
The issue was PREEXISTING the tune.
That's why it's not "taking" but reverting.

STAND BY!

This should be interesting...

:-)

This is only going to be interesting if you find a way to prove they are full of it, get your money back and expose them.

[AddyDaddy]

Originally Posted by gpdriver17

This is only going to be interesting if you find a way to prove they are full of it, get your money back and expose them.

I think they have already been exposed (or lack there of). If they really have a tune I think they've shot themselves in the foot already. If I was them I'd have documented before and after runs, dyno vids, especially from such an established company where owner designed for Alpina. Ohh just seems so shady in every way from people with zero posts making their first posts about this tune and zilch being produced.

Never thought I'd say this but I'm beginning to get bored of these noelle threads as I believed for a short time results would be shown.

[josec70]

TY, next

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by josec70

TY, next

…. aaaaaaaaaaand there it is.

[r33_RGSport]

Originally Posted by AddyDaddy

I have never heard of or seen such a thing! Never have I seen a tuner or any company say taking your car to the dyno will damage and void contract. Maybe RChip can chime in. But we keep talking like noelle tune is for real. It's exciting to think about 850hp with JUST a tune, but in my eyes it's not physically possible and again there would be real proof out there by now, the smoking tire vid was nothing short of zero.

Can't comment. I have dyno'ed my F15 X5 sDrive35i and F06 650GC.
All warranty voided already.

Oh wait, that's because it is already passed 4 yrs.

While my G30 540 got flagged because I have Brembo BBK.
So, they have to check with corporate everytime some service or warranty work need to be done.

While my F97 X3MC. I don't want to void my warranty, so I can't really say whether I dyno'ed it or not.

[Alaia04]

Originally Posted by AK M5

Great question.

Here's a big update.

I contacted the performance tuning company in Boston that did the tune. I sent them all the dragy screenshots and times.

They said it is pretty obvious the car is reverting to stock performance as a safety because something is erroring out or something is wrong mechanically that is causing it to error & revert.

They want the car back in the shop to check all the error codes and dig deep. They said there are known rare issues with the early model M5 F90 Transmissions and that they are swapping some out with the new M8 transmission because it is much more bulletproof.

I am very encouraged that they contacted me instantly first thing in the morning after I sent an email over the weekend.

I'm going to hand them the car because they really want to make good on this and see it through. NO CHARGE of course. Stay tuned! More to come later. I'm very encouraged. THIS IS WHY I GOT THIS TUNE: Safety & warranty.

Now let's see if we can solve it and get real performance.

Let's hope you get that numbers they advertised. I'm sure everyone is eager to see the "supposed" numbers/outcome.

I'm waiting on my local dealer's results/opinion here in NorCal as they're scheduled to have 2 f90's to run Noelle tune.

[AK M5]

Originally Posted by Hockeytyme

It's actually not possible. The tune overwrites the original tables and numbers that are in the ECU. It's no different than programming software on your computer and making an .exe file to play Call of Duty and then it decides na, I think I'll go back to Pacman.

Yes, most tunes update tables & numbers.

But (and I know everyone will scoff) - this tune is actual engine coding that works with engine/trans/clutch/etc/etc and has full safety & error handling. Really.

Bottom line : We found errors with the transfer case & clutch (***PRE-DATING*** the tune) - and the result is that the code was seriously dialing back the power based on the errors. See screen shot.

* This tune is not just a value in a table to boost a turbo. *

No. .. It's a full update of the engine computer coding, by the BMW ALPINA ENGINEERS. The reason I got this is for this exact reason : error handling and the safety of Not Cheating the ECU, but actually responding to errors/limits so I don't hurt my wicked expensive car. It's not a boost. It's a full programming update.

I'm getting with the dealership to deal with the WARRANTY and RECALL issues of the tranny/transfer-case & error codes. This is why the power was dialed back.

I PROMISE :

I will post NEW DRAGY runs once recalled & updated, and *will let the chips fall where they lie*. I will put up & shut up, but just give me a chance to get the recall & errors dealt with.

Stand by...

Resist flames....

Not done yet.

[ResidualJinx]

Originally Posted by AK M5

Yes, most tunes update tables & numbers.

But (and I know everyone will scoff) - this tune is actual engine coding that works with engine/trans/clutch/etc/etc and has full safety & error handling. Really.

Bottom line : We found errors with the transfer case & clutch (***PRE-DATING*** the tune) - and the result is that the code was seriously dialing back the power based on the errors. See screen shot.

* This tune is not just a value in a table to boost a turbo. *

No. .. It's a full update of the engine computer coding, by the BMW ALPINA ENGINEERS. The reason I got this is for this exact reason : error handling and the safety of Not Cheating the ECU, but actually responding to errors/limits so I don't hurt my wicked expensive car. It's not a boost. It's a full programming update.

I'm getting with the dealership to deal with the WARRANTY and RECALL issues of the tranny/transfer-case & error codes. This is why the power was dialed back.

I PROMISE :

I will post NEW DRAGY runs once recalled & updated, and *will let the chips fall where they lie*. I will put up & shut up, but just give me a chance to get the recall & errors dealt with.

Stand by...

Resist flames....

Not done yet.

So... for that much money, the installer didn't think to check for those codes BEFORE they did the tune and took your money?

[gpdriver17]

The majority of those errors were logged 29 miles ago. So since you got the tune, took it home, tested it, took it back to the tuner and driven less than 29 miles? Assuming they happened right before you got to the tuner.

It will be interesting to see how this goes over with the dealership. The tune supposedly modifies the code that interacts with the transmission, transmission logs errors, sounds like it's not BMW's problem.

[AddyDaddy]

I'm just gonna say the obvious........
For being your first posts and knowing nothing about tunes you seem to know some inner details of the workings and differences how noelle affects a car compared to other tunes.....
I'll go a step further,
Every noelle post has some weird strange unattainable reasonable end with solid proof. Solid proof that every other company puts out there with real cars OR customers put out there. I've never been intrigued yet annoyed at the same time. This tune company is like the Bermuda triangle, it traps you making you lose all logic that would normally make you say bullshit.. cough 😷

[marcvtec]

I got Noelle - Its great !

[BMWDriverX]

Don't dyno test our tune or we will void your warranty

[AK M5]

Originally Posted by AddyDaddy

I'm just gonna say the obvious........
For being your first posts and knowing nothing about tunes you seem to know some inner details of the workings and differences how noelle affects a car compared to other tunes.....
I'll go a step further,
Every noelle post has some weird strange unattainable reasonable end with solid proof. Solid proof that every other company puts out there with real cars OR customers put out there. I've never been intrigued yet annoyed at the same time. This tune company is like the Bermuda triangle, it traps you making you lose all logic that would normally make you say bullshit.. cough 😷

Too funny. Lol.

I kind of agree it really looks like Bermuda.

That's why I'm dying to get this resolved, and post solid results. (Or end up the epic fail.) No matter what... It's coming. Full performance with no dial-back of the power due to errors.

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by limeypride

…. aaaaaaaaaaand there it is.

hahaha thank you !