[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Casone238

When we talk super cars we need to be specific on what we mean by that. I feel that a lot of people equate super car with exotic + light weight. The Mclaren is beautiful rocket ship but the interior quality is garbage. If I had a qrt mill for a exotic I'll go with with a Ferrari F8 but I would rather have a 911 turbo S over all exotics. As far as the M5CS straight line speed it's super car territory there's no denying that. Daily driving practicality taken into account M5C & M8 is a brilliant choice. I still can't believe this thread turned into a dispute of "is the M5CS a super car" 🤦🏻*♂️

Actually you have a good point.
In order to be able to judge a car as super car, we need to compare that car with super cars in different perspective including interior/exterior quality, power train, acceleration, technology , capability , look and etc... it's not just the limit of weight or size or price.
Super car is not just a brand like Ferrari/Lambo/McLaren . Any car which can be comparable with these cars is considered as super car.
Having said that with the following battles I consider both M8/M5CS super cars because they are able to win battles against super cars!

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

How is the CS a big leap from the Comp?

Easy, because you guys WANT IT TO BE...

You obviously have not driven both. Whether it be the 2, 3 or 5 the difference is significant. And they look better too.

I'm only on the first page but I'm sure the haters will jump in soon and start talking about how they can add a few carbon bits throw a tune on their comp bla bla bla and have a CS. Please!!

[ubchariot]

The problem with CS line is that BMW stops making their M and M competition models special, light weight and connected any more. Of course they can do it better, but they just stop there purposely.

It really don't have to be super expensive and limited production to make a car drives like CS model. But BMW choose to do so. That's really disappointing.

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by Bluehorseshoe

You're missing the subtleties of his praiseful comments, Trevor. It's about the total package. It is indeed 'magic' how BMW's tuned this car. I still scratch my head every time I take it out. Not easy to make a car with such dynamics so enjoyable at two-tenths normal road driving. Far from perfect, of course. But for a $150k luxury sedan (cheap relative to many alternatives), it's just about as close as they come.

Bluehorseshoe and you my friend as also some others, are lucky to have and enjoy such a beast . Its a rare car , i dont believe the world will see a sedan like this ever again. Heil its driving dynamics ! Keep it , enjoy it and those who know , know !

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by x622

Why didn't you go for the 765lt?

I had just gotten the 600LT, and i was kinda stuck at that time. Then when i tried to inquire about it, there was insane (and still is) insane ADM on it. I can't stomach 100k over for a car. So i found an out of state dealer who netted me a nice lump sum on the 600, and he had an allocation for a 720 spider, so i took it. Awaiting carrier assignment now..

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by TexasSurgeon

Hahhaa.

Every comment by TrevorM3 starts with "my Dads….."

The CS IS his, not mine... so.. yea?

[TrevorM3]

crazy, all the "CS vs" threads are posted here.

nobody posted this one though, or even replied in this one.. kinda odd..

https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1870073

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by Greer

I thought these guys did a great job on the video and I think that is being lost on all the comments here. Everyone has a different definition of what a Supercar is and that is fine.

The funny part is that no one here in this thread said it was specifically a super car, and I don't think the car journalist was being serious when he said so either. I think he was saying it's kinda like a super car wink wink* but whispered it in the middle of nowhere because he knew people like Trevor would hate against that comment. And then all hell broke loose. And here we are.

I think Trevor is bitter because his dads M5 CS is still delayed and stuck somewhere. Again no one is specifically saying it's a super car.

[spuntyb]

This thread is a dumpster fire

Enjoy what you drive!

[CC3586]

M5 CS is a great special car, specially for BMW die hard fans, unfortunately I can't afford it but, if you like it and you can afford it just buy one to enjoy it, your smile on face behind the wheel is priceless .

[Jaymelo238]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

I can easily see who has never driven or owned a supercar...

You haven't even driven the car but your the first one to be so confident lol. He's like the kid who always laughs and thinks he's right 😂

I bet more than half of us have driven super cars.

If it does a 10.6 - 10.8 quarter mile , it's a super car.

[PunjabiM3]

If the CS were a Porsche and they called it the Panamera Turbo GT4 (for 4 seats or whatever), and if the specs were pretty much the same as a CS I bet it would cost $300k with a $100k ADM on it. And people would call it the best sedan ever because P car. Honestly in the US, the CS is kind of a bargain given a M5 Comp and RS6 are almost $135-140k with ceramic brakes and most options.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by nerdogray

The M5 is a great car, but it isn't what I'd consider a "supercar." I wouldn't even consider the GTR a "supercar." Supercars to me are on up there with Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini...

For the CS, yes it's nice, but there is this disconnect between what it actually is and what people want to say it is. Much was removed from the CS that helps put the polish on the M5 in general, and then those gimmicky, ball-fondling (honestly this may be the source of all the fandom), carbon fiber seats were added. It's just a bastardized offshoot of the M5... as a "track car."

I just have issues with spending a premium on something that is less of a daily driver (which to me is one of the major identity characteristics of the M5) and more of a "hey, we have all this Signal Green paint left over and these tacky ass bronze wheels, how can we get rid of them?"

According to Wikipedia:

supercar – also called exotic car – is a loosely defined description of street-legal, high-performance luxury sports car. Since the 2000s or 2010s, the term hypercar has come into use for the highest performing supercars. Supercars commonly serve as the flagship model within a vehicle manufacturer's lineup of sports cars.

In the United States, muscle cars were often referred to as "supercars" during the 1960s.

If this is true, it suggests the term supercar is an ever evolving thing, unlike your cynicism and sense of self-importance rendering you and your like boring and devolutionary

Who the hell cares what Henry or you think the definition of a supercar should be - the car is simply magnificent and that's that

Might be the time to grow up mate

[MNoob]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

unlike your cynicism and sense of self-importance rendering you and your like boring and devolutionary

That's some funny shit.

[TEGRITY]

when I was 22 and could finally afford a new German car, my humble Audi A3 was my supercar and the next one and the one after and so on!

[tjlees]

love it!

Glad BMW have the balls in this day and age to produce the M5CS.

Wish I'd bought one when they were discounted by 15k - harry etc al have pushed the price upto over 20k above MSRP

They have supercar like performance - 0-60 in 2.6s (car and driver) and 7:29 on the ring is supercar f*cking quick ... but they are not supercars since its based on a 40k 5 series with carbon bits, tricked out suspension and is nearly 2t.

I've driven both the M5C, 991 turbo S and ariel 3.5 cup on track at length. The M5C is a real hoot, good handling and bags of grip.

The M5CS must walk on water.

However I would miss the driver professional assist and the super comfy, air cooled and massaging seats of the M5C - and its towing ability #FirstWorldProblem

[crypto]

Originally Posted by tjlees

Wish I'd bought one when they were discounted by 15k - harry etc al have pushed the price upto over 20k above MSRP

When was that exactly? 🧐

[TexasSurgeon]

Originally Posted by PunjabiM3

If the CS were a Porsche and they called it the Panamera Turbo GT4 (for 4 seats or whatever), and if the specs were pretty much the same as a CS I bet it would cost $300k with a $100k ADM on it. And people would call it the best sedan ever because P car. Honestly in the US, the CS is kind of a bargain given a M5 Comp and RS6 are almost $135-140k with ceramic brakes and most options.

This is well said.

The M5CS at MSRP is a very fair price.

Even the the M5C and M5 base are all priced very fairly.

Anybody who says these are overpriced does not understand the car market/cant afford one
And does not understand the world/US economy.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by crypto

When was that exactly? 🧐

From announcement through to the first wave in August, you could get MSRP and small discounts. It was the drag race YouTube videos from Throttle House in early August that was the turning point (those videos got millions of views in a couple days). I had a small discount on my order which arrived in early August cause it seemed poised to depreciate like any M5, and I dropped out of it (as well as other life reasons). Big regret but I'll live.

Lesson learned, never drop out on a collector car with great 0-60 times. 0-60 times sell more than anything else, there is a reason Tesla is doing so well.

There were already great reviews from EVO and Chris Harris that were focused on driver dynamics (like this carfection video) prior to the first wave last year that had absolutely zero impact on the cars value.

The carfection video has only 115k views right now. If it was titled "M5 CS outdrags a Carrera GT" it would have 1.0 mil views.

[DL335D]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

great video, but...

But the CS isn't close to supercar levels.. let's stop the nonsense. lol

Have you driven an M5 comp and a cs?

[Chicane_]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

From announcement through to the first wave in August, you could get MSRP and small discounts. It was the drag race YouTube videos from Throttle House in early August that was the turning point (those videos got millions of views in a couple days). I had a small discount on my order which arrived in early August cause it seemed poised to depreciate like any M5, and I dropped out of it (as well as other life reasons). Big regret but I'll live.

Lesson learned, never drop out on a collector car with great 0-60 times. 0-60 times sell more than anything else, there is a reason Tesla is doing so well.

There were already great reviews from EVO and Chris Harris that were focused on driver dynamics (like this carfection video) prior to the first wave last year that had absolutely zero impact on the cars value.

The carfection video has only 115k views right now. If it was titled "M5 CS outdrags a Carrera GT" it would have 1.0 mil views.

A similar phenomenon happened with the 765LT. Interest levels spiked once the public realized it could run low-mid 9's without AWD or hybrid assist. I had one of the first deliveries (#2?) in North America so I was already aware of how much of a monster the LT was before this fact was discovered by others.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by Chicane_

A similar phenomenon happened with the 765LT. Interest levels spiked once the public realized it could run low-mid 9's without AWD or hybrid assist.

This is why BMW will probably never make a RWD M3 after this generation. The xdrive M3 dominates 0-60 and that's all that 90% of buyers care about.