[RPiM5]

The next Audi RS7 interior design is going to be "futuristic". Although some reviewers have already complained at the lack of having physical dials and buttons as a con to the interior design of the new A7. I feel like glass cockpits are the way to go and I am completely in awe of that cars interior design. I mean if it can work in the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter why not in a car? Lol!

Anyways, although I do share Tony's point of view about the current G30/F90 interior design I do feel like the inside is a nice place to be (well it's a 5-Series, why wouldn't it be), I just expected / hoped for something fresh from BMW. The M8 will be different and fresh though, so let's see what happens there. I still have hope though, and I am hoping that the next generation G90 M5 will be total re-birth of the BMW M5 featuring an all new engine, and completely different interior / exterior design, all things I feel the F90 failed to deliver.

[Goonba]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOGOEdb7mHI

[NYC X6M]

Originally Posted by Tonymiabmw

I'm not joking. I pulled my deposit on the M5. The M5 interior design looks like a 3 series to me. Same shape and overall design concept. Nothing screams special about it. It's boring to my eye. You feel like you are in a spaceship in the e63s. The design is far superior. I actually felt like I was in 100k sport sedan when I was in the Mercedes.

I completely agree with this. The new M5 does absolutely nothing for me. It isn't special in my opinion. I've had some seat time with one and I'm not really impressed. On the other hand, the new E63 feels like a completely different car. It's not like any of my past AMG cars that I've had. Maybe I dislike the M5 because it has the same engine and looks similar to the outgoing one? Who knows. Very fast car though I'll give it that.
As far as M5 vs E63, it's a drivers race. Both cars are very equal in performance. Who cares if some tests have the M5 up by .1 second difference to 60mph. It's about personal preference. Both have AWD and about equal power. They are actually too similar if you ask me. Both the M5 and E63 have V8 biturbo engines with AWD. I assume the new RS7 will have a similar setup as well. Three cars from different brands all with turbo engines and AWD? Where's the uniqueness that sets cars apart anymore?

[MTHX]

... lol some renders for mercedes fan

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Tonymiabmw

At least Audi changes their interior design concept unlike BMW. I've owned 5 Ms like I've said while these guys are excited for probably their first M car. I'm bored with same crap over and over again. I'm sure if this was my first BMW I'd find it exciting too. At least BMW could have offered a red or orange interior and some real carbon. They didn't even do that.

Excited with the first M car? HAHAHA. This will be my 6th M car in 5 years. F90 is on another level, it's very very good.

[YungDro]

thread closed....

[Goonba]

Originally Posted by YungDro

https://www.topgear.com/videos/top-g...-amg-e63-s-ice

heres the top gear race that got cut and used for online content i told you man. m5 wins again

No ignorant fanboy. Once against, go actually watch the top gear season 25 trailers. I'll screenshot it for your lazy eyes...clearly on ice..

Think its clear it wasn't a "director's" decision to pull the most interesting H2H this year. Probably heard BMW say "lets re-film it with the Competition Pack"

[Goonba]

Originally Posted by YungDro

https://www.topgear.com/videos/top-g...-amg-e63-s-ice

heres the top gear race that got cut and used for online content i told you man. m5 wins again

...here is a screenshot of Chris Harris' (the guy that presents on Top Gear TV not website) twitter account, which was done while they were filming it.



While I'm at it..here as some independent reviews (i.e. not the same recycled review blasted on different websites) that all say "the M5 is the better car" (apparently)

http://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/m5
https://www.autozeitung.de/bmw-m5-me...-s-192589.html
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/big...aloon-slugfest

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by Goonba

...here is a screenshot of Chris Harris' (the guy that presents on Top Gear TV not website) twitter account, which was done while they were filming it.

Attachment 1799746

While I'm at it..here as some independent reviews (i.e. not the same recycled review blasted on different websites) that all say "the M5 is the better car" (apparently)

http://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/m5
https://www.autozeitung.de/bmw-m5-me...-s-192589.html
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/big...aloon-slugfest

Not sure EVO said it's the better car....

'At a few hundred quid shy of £90k, the M5 aligns almost exactly with the AMG E63 S. It's clearly the car that BMW set out to beat, and they haven't quite managed it. It doesn't have the engine character and better steering feel would improve the car in all scenarios. It's an step on in many ways from the previous model, and a very good M5, but the Mercedes is more appealing. '

[Goonba]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

Not sure EVO said it's the better car....

'At a few hundred quid shy of £90k, the M5 aligns almost exactly with the AMG E63 S. It's clearly the car that BMW set out to beat, and they haven't quite managed it. It doesn't have the engine character and better steering feel would improve the car in all scenarios. It's an step on in many ways from the previous model, and a very good M5, but the Mercedes is more appealing. '

Sorry I was being sarcastic online. Yes, those magazines all say E63s is the better, more characterful car.

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by Goonba

Sorry I was being sarcastic online. Yes, those magazines all say E63s is the better, more characterful car.

Without ANY IMPERICAL DATA OTHER THAN SUPPLIED BY THE MANUFACTURER,,,,,,or gas mileage.

Those are JOKE reviews.

Any kid in the basement with mommy’s internet connection can quote manufacturers specs and speculate a “character “ review.

Come on weak sauce, you can do better than that.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

Without ANY IMPERICAL DATA OTHER THAN SUPPLIED BY THE MANUFACTURER,,,,,,or gas mileage.

Those are JOKE reviews.

Any kid in the basement with mommy's internet connection can quote manufacturers specs and speculate a "character " review.

Come on weak sauce, you can do better than that.

Well to be fair numbers is only one aspect of a car, E63S does have a different presence and character and I can see why some will like it better than the M5.

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

Well to be fair numbers is only one aspect of a car, E63S does have a different presence and character and I can see why some will like it better than the M5.

But WeakSauce’s prior AMG>M arguments were broad based empirical. I asked for the specific’s to back up his position and he pivots like a ballerina.

[Goonba]

No fanboy, my previous AMG>M arguments were not about empirical numbers. They were about another fanboy's comments that M5 wins every review which was complete BS.

To me the two cars are about the engineering of the time. This time around the E63 is the engineers choice using the latest solutions from AMG and Benz. The F90 is just a slightly redesigned and tuned F10/X5M - and in the UK BMW has also priced it £1400 more expensive than the E63S (which makes the E63 the biggest bargain ever). No1 will remember the F90, but everyone will remember the AMG for being the first Drift Mode 600hp saloon sledgehammer.

Before anyone criticises CarWow, they should watch their other videos - Matt Watson has on many occasions declared that he will always personally pick BMW and that he loves the brand. I am sure they did everything to try get the M5 to win, whilst remaining fair. The South African Car/TopGear whatever... I am not so sure, they are the only channel where 80% of drags are the opposite of what everyone else gets.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Goonba

No fanboy, my previous AMG>M arguments were not about empirical numbers. They were about another fanboy's comments that M5 wins every review which was complete BS.

To me the two cars are about the engineering of the time. This time around the E63 is the engineers choice using the latest solutions from AMG and Benz. The F90 is just a slightly redesigned and tuned F10/X5M - and in the UK BMW has also priced it £1400 more expensive than the E63S (which makes the E63 the biggest bargain ever). No1 will remember the F90, but everyone will remember the AMG for being the first Drift Mode 600hp saloon sledgehammer.

Before anyone criticises CarWow, they should watch their other videos - Matt Watson has on many occasions declared that he will always personally pick BMW and that he loves the brand. I am sure they did everything to try get the M5 to win, whilst remaining fair. The South African Car/TopGear whatever... I am not so sure, they are the only channel where 80% of drags are the opposite of what everyone else gets.

You claim that F90 is lightly redesigned and retuned version of F10. Have you owned both F10 and F90? They are completely different cars. It's funny how you just joined and have a need to defend AMG on a BMW forum. AMG is nice, It's a great car. I may end up buying one in the future but some of you guys are so off base that it's not even funny.

[neohh]

Originally Posted by elitex

You claim that F90 is lightly redesigned and retuned version of F10. Have you owned both F10 and F90? They are completely different cars. It's funny how you just joined and have a need to defend AMG on a BMW forum. AMG is nice, It's a great car. I may end up buying one in the future but some of you guys are so off base that it's not even funny.

I really don't get it why some AMG owners come to M5 forum to argue which car is better, and vice versa. It just make them look so insecure and need to convince themselves that AMG is worth it. You made your choice then be happy with it. I would not waste my time on an e63s forum trying to convince them M5 is better.

But you are right, saying F90 is lightly redesigned version of F10 is just silly. Clearly he has no idea what he's talking about.

[mirob]

CarsGuide Australia

AMG E63S 8.1/10

F90 M5 8.3/10

[Goonba]

Originally Posted by neohh

I really don't get it why some AMG owners come to M5 forum to argue which car is better, and vice versa. It just make them look so insecure and need to convince themselves that AMG is worth it. You made your choice then be happy with it. I would not waste my time on an e63s forum trying to convince them M5 is better.

But you are right, saying F90 is lightly redesigned version of F10 is just silly. Clearly he has no idea what he's talking about.

I represent the "vs." of the "F90 M5 vs..." bit of the forum (I don't comment in the general ownership one). What fun would it be if you fanboys all sat here and agreed BMW make the best cars in the world...you would then starting faffing about who owns the fastest M5 from the factory.

[Tonymiabmw]

Originally Posted by neohh

I really don't get it why some AMG owners come to M5 forum to argue which car is better, and vice versa. It just make them look so insecure and need to convince themselves that AMG is worth it. You made your choice then be happy with it. I would not waste my time on an e63s forum trying to convince them M5 is better.

But you are right, saying F90 is lightly redesigned version of F10 is just silly. Clearly he has no idea what he's talking about.

I don't think anyone came here from AMG forum to argue. I had had an M5 coming until last week until I realized that even with a 5k individual paint job it still will look weak and lack the presence of an M car. I don't need to convince anyone. I can state my opinion and so can others about being on the fence about the M5 because some of us find it a weak resign with the same motor. Why are you so insecure you can't handle hearing others opinions? Same motor, slap an x drive system in, use the same zf 8 speed in the every other BMW and not much interior wise. I don't see how it isn't a light redesign.

[elitex]

Originally Posted by Goonba

I represent the "vs." of the "F90 M5 vs..." bit of the forum (I don't comment in the general ownership one). What fun would it be if you fanboys all sat here and agreed BMW make the best cars in the world...you would then starting faffing about who owns the fastest M5 from the factory.

Kettle calling the pot black

[neohh]

Originally Posted by Tonymiabmw

I don't think anyone came here from AMG forum to argue. I had had an M5 coming until last week until I realized that even with a 5k individual paint job it still will look weak and lack the presence of an M car. I don't need to convince anyone. I can state my opinion and so can others about being on the fence about the M5 because some of us find it a weak resign with the same motor. Why are you so insecure you can't handle hearing others opinions?

I am not the one who start questioning people's age, origin, or financial status when others have different opinion.

I think it is very clear who cannot handle hearing others opinions here.

[Tonymiabmw]

Originally Posted by neohh

I am not the one who start questioning people's age, origin, or financial status when others have different opinion.

I think it is very clear who cannot handle hearing others opinions here.

I don't remember questioning anyone financial situation. Also Someone's origin is going to have some impact on taste. An older man that lives a midwestern town or mid Atlantic states vs someone who is in South Florida or Southern California are going to have different definitions of what is "over the top". Glad to see Chris Harris thinks the M is weak in the looks department too. I've always respected his reviews and opinion.