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      08-04-2020, 04:06 PM   #1
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Test drove the M5C - Didn't feel quick?

I'm shopping between the w213 e63 and the M5C. I feel these cars offer the best in everyday driving and also sportiness when needed. I've driven the e63 and up to that point, it was the fastest car I've ever been in. The dealer let me ring it out. I've never been in a car that blurs my periphery and give me tunnel vision, at least for a second or two. The sheer amount of torque and acceleration for a car this heavy with three people was staggering. It threw you back into the seat and gave me those g-force/butterflies.

I went to go test drive the M5C last week and I was actually preferring it to the e63. Smoother ride, really only need the two packages which give you everything you need from a luxury point. I had three people in the car, so fair comparison to the e63. I put it in m1, made sure everything was in sport plus and selected manual shifting. I set out and got a feel for it. Definitely not as aggressive as the e63, which is a pro and a con. I had an open stretch and went for a 2nd gear pull. There was a bit of lag even though I rolled into it and although it pressed me in the seat it was kinda gentle, not really anything sudden. I expected the car to pull harder as the revs climbed but it never really did. I shut it down around 125 ish. I tried 2nd gear, then 1 st gear, and then 3 rd gear. They all, kinda of felt just smooth and not sudden. I will say that objectively and on paper/speedometer wise yes, the car is very fast without a doubt, the length I pulled compared to traffic behind me was staggering. However, I got no excitement from the pull it was just, smooth.

I got back home and took out my glc 63s amg and did some pulls. I got the immediately stomach feeling and the responsiveness.

The M5C had me very confused. I started thinking maybe I left it in a weird mode or the wrong mode? In any case, I wanted to ask the forums and those who have had the car for a while if you think the M5C is more of a smooth accelerator. It gets up to speed and goes extremely fast but does not "feel" as its specs suggest or "feel" as fast when flooring it.

I understand some buyers prefer this, but if that is the case, I guess I'm just not the target buyer for this car. In my opinion, I want to feel that aggressive acceleration.

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Just for the record, the M5C usually takes the prize in the super sedan drag races you see on youtube so I'd say that, on average, it is faster than the E63S. I've had lots of fast cars and would consider the M5C a VERY strong accelerator. Maybe not as raw or punchy as the E63, but still top notch.
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I'm shopping between the w213 e63 and the M5C. I feel these cars offer the best in everyday driving and also sportiness when needed. I've driven the e63 and up to that point, it was the fastest car I've ever been in. The dealer let me ring it out. I've never been in a car that blurs my periphery and give me tunnel vision, at least for a second or two. The sheer amount of torque and acceleration for a car this heavy with three people was staggering. It threw you back into the seat and gave me those g-force/butterflies.

I went to go test drive the M5C last week and I was actually preferring it to the e63. Smoother ride, really only need the two packages which give you everything you need from a luxury point. I had three people in the car, so fair comparison to the e63. I put it in m1, made sure everything was in sport plus and selected manual shifting. I set out and got a feel for it. Definitely not as aggressive as the e63, which is a pro and a con. I had an open stretch and went for a 2nd gear pull. There was a bit of lag even though I rolled into it and although it pressed me in the seat it was kinda gentle, not really anything sudden. I expected the car to pull harder as the revs climbed but it never really did. I shut it down around 125 ish. I tried 2nd gear, then 1 st gear, and then 3 rd gear. They all, kinda of felt just smooth and not sudden. I will say that objectively and on paper/speedometer, wise yes, the car is very fast without a doubt, the length I pulled compared to traffic behind me was staggering. However, I got no excitement from the pull it was just, smooth.

I got back in home and took out my glc 63s amg and did some pulls. I got the immediately stomach feeling and the responsiveness.

The M5C had me very confused. I started thinking maybe I left it in a weird mode or the wrong mode? In any case, I wanted to ask the forums and those who have had the car for a while if you think the M5C is more of a smooth accelerator. It gets up to speed and goes extremely fast but does not "feel" as its specs suggest or "feel" as fast when flooring it.

I understand some buyers prefer this, but if that is the case, I guess I'm just not the target buyer for this car. In my opinion, I want to feel that aggressive acceleration.

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Yeah I can see how some ppl prefer to look at my brake lights while my M5 beats either of the AMGs mentioned...

Maybe if you take off the engine cover it'll "feel" faster?
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When you said you put it in M1 mode - did you notice the back end step out or it get more lively? Asking because you Need DSC OFF; you have to instead have it in MDM mode or full nannies off for the full experience in my opinion. If the M1 setting was not programmed for that (eg the M1 on my car had full DSC still engaged until I set it up with my preferences) then even with M1 and sport plus everything selected as you mentioned then engine output will still be retarded when wheel slip differential occurs or excess yaw etc if DSC is on.
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Yeah I can see how some ppl prefer to look at my brake lights while my M5 beats either of the AMGs mentioned...

Maybe if you take off the engine cover it'll "feel" faster?
My intention is not to bash the M5, especially on a BMW forum. Yes, I know the M5 beats both AMGs, glc feels like a brick after 70 mph. But, I also want the car to make me laugh when I floor it.

Have not tried removing the engine cover, I'll give a try next time
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When you said you put it in M1 mode - did you notice the back end step out or it get more lively? Asking because you Need DSC OFF; you have to instead have it in MDM mode or full nannies off for the full experience in my opinion. If the M1 setting was not programmed for that (eg the M1 on my car had full DSC still engaged until I set it up with my preferences) then even with M1 and sport plus everything selected as you mentioned then engine output will still be retarded when wheel slip differential occurs or excess yaw etc if DSC is on.
Back end did not step out. The car was extremely composed, no wheel slip that I detected or liveliness. It was on the Pirellis. It might not have been programmed, I know that you can configure the two M buttons but I didn't configure anything. I might give that a try for next time and see if there's a difference.
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I had same feeling when I test drove one M5. It was fast, without noticing it I was already accelerating much over the speed limit. But that is the problem - you just don't get the same feeling from your body.
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Back end did not step out. The car was extremely composed, no wheel slip that I detected or liveliness. It was on the Pirellis. It might not have been programmed, I know that you can configure the two M buttons but I didn't configure anything. I might give that a try for next time and see if there's a difference.
I bet that was the issue then. In MDM mode if will say “MDM” as well as DSC off and the little orange DSC off icon will light up. This allows a lot more tire slip, yaw, and acceleration potential. In complete DSC off there is no intervention at all. The hooligan setting is two wheel drive and dsc off - only done that a few times as it is fun but dangerous at speed - back end of car will try and pass the front.
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I like your description of how strong acceleration can affect your vision. Now that my car is broken in and I've done some full pulls and some launches, it does pull my eyeballs into the back of my head in a way that can actually be momentarily disorienting. My guess is you say you put it in "M1" mode, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. M1 and M2 are just memory settings. It could have had anything programmed into it as far as all the different performance settings. Also, new engines are pretty tight. Performance gets better as the engine loosens up. To be honest, I wasn't all that impressed with my first test drive. But after mine was broken in, the first time I did a launch... holy cow! I got that feeling you described from the g-force of my eyes and brain sloshing to the back of my head.
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I get an amazing and smooth rush in my 2020 M5. I love it. Ultimately the initial move off standing will get a bit old and the car is crazy fast. You will want to make your decision off more than just that though.
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Not sure you had the car set up right. Good luck.
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Not sure you had the car set up right. Good luck.
Kind of wondering if the throttle was set to sport plus.
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May not feel faster, but it is faster. I agree that it doesn't snap your neck, but I think that's more about the all wheel drive and the supportive seats. With AWD, the car doesn't squat back and shift weight back like a RWD car.

I'm amazed at how smoothly this thing creates speed, which is a good thing to me. It's a luxury sports sedan that pulls like a freight train. I prefer that it do it as smoothly as possible, versus behaving more like a muscle car.
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Importantly, how many miles were on the car you drove?
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I had same feeling when I test drove one M5. It was fast, without noticing it I was already accelerating much over the speed limit. But that is the problem - you just don't get the same feeling from your body.
I thought I was going crazy to be honest. I searched a few forums to see if anyone else felt the same and although there's a few, I'm definitely in a very small minority.
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I like your description of how strong acceleration can affect your vision. Now that my car is broken in and I've done some full pulls and some launches, it does pull my eyeballs into the back of my head in a way that can actually be momentarily disorienting. My guess is you say you put it in "M1" mode, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. M1 and M2 are just memory settings. It could have had anything programmed into it as far as all the different performance settings. Also, new engines are pretty tight. Performance gets better as the engine loosens up. To be honest, I wasn't all that impressed with my first test drive. But after mine was broken in, the first time I did a launch... holy cow! I got that feeling you described from the g-force of my eyes and brain sloshing to the back of my head.

One trick I do when testing cars is to either test a CPO or used one as the engine is usually broken in at that point and the dealer allows me rev the car out without having to worry about break/in, new engine/trans, etc. I believe there was 10,000 miles or there about when I drove it. Yeah, that's really the feeling I'm chasing! Wish most cars would have it from a roll, that would be epic.
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May not feel faster, but it is faster. I agree that it doesn't snap your neck, but I think that's more about the all wheel drive and the supportive seats. With AWD, the car doesn't squat back and shift weight back like a RWD car.

I'm amazed at how smoothly this thing creates speed, which is a good thing to me. It's a luxury sports sedan that pulls like a freight train. I prefer that it do it as smoothly as possible, versus behaving more like a muscle car.
It is incredibly smooth, almost frighteningly so. It gathers speed at an insane rate. For those who like that, this is the perfect car.
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Importantly, how many miles were on the car you drove?
I drove a CPO, about 10k miles. I usually drive CPO or used so I can rev the car without worry of a fresh engine/trans on test drives
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Owned a W213 E63 Edition 1 and still own a 2018 First Edition M5.... I ended up taking two test drives because nothing is achieved on the first in my opinion and thats all she wrote. Ill fathom that the exhaust note in the E63 plays a large role in "feel" of speed as well. Heck Ive had 11 AMG's so Im not just an M lover. Here is what I wroten(at the AMG forum) a long time ago and this was pre purchase of the M5.

https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1525153

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Let me preface this by stating I did drive the M5 last week but was limited in how I wanted to adjust the settings and push the car. But a good friend is a now in charge of a local BMW store so he let me take the First Edition M5 for a longer test drive where I was able to really push the car and drive it bigger turns and tighter corners as well. I also was able to dissect the interior further for comfort and functionality vs our AMG's.

Here some cliff notes:

Speed/Acceleration/Brakes: My E63S is tuned with a beta tune from November so it feels just a slight bit more aggressive from launch but the M5 is more fluid and linear with its mph gains. I ran the M5 in sport plus settings and MDM Sport for the drive mode which is probably equal to Sport Plus in our cars. I honestly cant tell you what car is faster- the M5 gets there (to 150 plus) quick but in a different way. Since I drove the First Edition, the car has the M Sport Exhaust which all normal 2018 and 2019 M5's do not get so there is a good amount of burble and grumble but the cabin is so insulated its hard to know where you are in the car vs the E with its growl. As all the vids show, its a drivers race. I was able to really open up the M5 in very hot weather and the issues I had with 2016 and 2013 M5's are not there: heatsoak. Stock vs stock the M5's throttle felt just a bit better with a less mushy pedal and more immediate response. I could keep typing here but you get the gist; they are evenly matched. Based on my "butt" feel, I think the M5 might just be a tick quicker to 150 and I have said weight plays a big role. The E has more tq so that helps its cause to offset the weight gain. The M5 I drove has the irons but still great pedal feel and no fade. I have the CCB's in the E and they are brilliant but for regular driving the gain is really in brake dust reduction and a bump in your cost.

Handling/Comfort: Wow this one has me thinking. I have always said I can endure the E63S suspension because of my roads but driving the M5 gave me pause. Its just so much more soft on the same roads and I say this in a good way. None of that "thud" or "bang" like in the E63S. As most of you have owned an M5 in the past, you know that BMW feeling it exudes where the dampers and springs work very well to suck up the road undulations. So from a comfort perspective, the M5 is way better. But, if I want zero roll the E63S is the one that moves closer to that limit. The compression and rebound is so tight and in big bends I found my "non buffet eating" frame to be slightly pushed in the M5. Maybe it was the seats- which are equivalent to the standard E63S ones but there was more lean. It wasnt drastic and there are turns where I actually wanted that feel so I was better connected with the car and I can see why the M5 gets great handling reviews along with our E63S's. Its just a completely different feel when driving down the expressway in triple digit speeds. I am still so utterly impressed with the E63S and how it handles its weight. But I was also impressed with the M and its ability to soak up the crap on the streets.

Steering: I like the M steering better... I felt it had minimal understeer in hard turns and at higher speeds the wheel was just firm and solid with no movement. I have found at time that the electronic steering in the E tries to correct or hold in place and I would rather have my human input here. The E in the same 100 plus big bends has a bit more understeer while the M steering was more on point which is a big change from the F10 M5 steering to me. The M5 steering is more connected with the chassis and suspension for my style of driving. The E is in now way a slouch but for me I liked the M.

Interior/Amenities: OK so this one has come up alot- The E has the better appearance to me but the functionality of the M and its I drive is better. The tech is just fast (or normal) while the E is so slow but i have said before that wasnt a deal breaker and it still is not. I loved the cushy M5 seats with the 18 way adjustments and great cooling capability. I have the Performance Seats in my E so its hard to compare but if im turning over and over then the E seats are where I want my butt planted. The M feels just slightly more luxurious inside but they are both great interior laden cars. I really enjoy the I drive better, I didnt need to read the brochure to even modify anything and the steering wheel controls are good with a wheel and buttons to push versus that stupid finger pad with the E. Im not an audiophile but the Bowers and Wilkins system was good with decent highs and some bass. I dont really care here as long as the system is decent and both cars have good music deliveries (for me).

Transmission/Gearing: I am a big fan of the ZF tranny having had it on two of my RS7's, Jag F Type R, and Bentley GT3R. Some may think BMW lost their way leaving the DCT but the shift speed changes and fluidity is negligible in change. No one is on these cars 10/10ths, they are not race cars. The ZF holds the gears well and up shifts at higher rpms while not down shifting while cruising; I liked it and it serves it purpose with the electronics M added in. The E63S tranny is a bit wild as we all know with its thud downshifts and more violent pushes. But I like that, it makes me feel like the car is just ripping and some may hate it but its got that race car feel while the M is so fluid that you dont even feel the shifts all the way past 150mph. I think from an efficiency standpoint, both hold their weight with limited drive train loss. The performance numbers are key here where both run higher 12X traps and sub 3 second zero to 60 romps. So I cant really say anything is definitely better here but instead its a drivers' choice. Some might think in manual mode the E63S has too many gears and one can get lost in the wrong gear; I can see why but thats why I really just trust Sport Plus and D mode.

Exhaust: LOL--- thank god I drove the First Edition because it has the M Sport Exhaust. It needs it as the E63S owns this category. The M sounds good, really good, but I cant hear it always as much while the E63S noise is always in my face even with my ACP option. But I have heard Quickburns Sport Exhaust with the resonator pulled and its a nice blend of higher decibels and growl with some LeMans shreiking. I am one that must have exhaust noise to match up with speed and deceleration into turns... its part of the driving process so the M5 needs this Sport Exhaust or I would be swapping out the factory one asap (it was on the first car I drove last week and the exhaust was boring). I had my buddy rev the M5 while I was outside and it sounded really good which made me happy. I would need just a little more sound though so the resonator would go.

Looks/Appearance: I drove the First Edition and it has a unique look with the Frozen Red paint and Pearl White interior. The E, in my matte black paint, is more aggressive but the M5 carries itself well. Its bit more muted to me but this FE car is pretty wild. I think I like the E just a bit better with its more aggressive lines but this is not a deal breaker for me and the M.

So would I change cars? Sure. But not because the M is better on an absolute level because its not- they are so evenly matched its all going to boil down to personal preference on drive feel, usage, road situations, and at times brand loyalty. I have had 8 M's so Im not a just a Benz Fanboy. I think because I personally like to drive new cars and own them for a while the M will be in my garage soon. The E is coming up on a birthday and that says alot about what it means to me. Its so wonderful to have choices like this and I know you all appreciate it at the end of the day. There are so many cliches to describe these cars- I think I would just say the M is now the sleeper while the E63S is the "in your face, wideawake" machine. Both are beasts.
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I left the car wash the other day and the M5 felt noticeably slower than normal. I checked that I was in Sport Plus for the transmission which is my M1 setting- it was. I got worried until I realized that the car wash guy had hit the button that lowers the sound output for the engine. I put it back to full blast sound and it felt a lot faster. Funny how that works. Maybe that was what happened in your case. If not, maybe the E63 is the car for you. That was the car I had before the M5 and they're both great. Go with what makes you happier. Don't worry about .1 second in a 0-60.
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On the day 1 when I was beating on my M5, I didn't realize how many times I actually activated the traction control because the tires were overinflated, so the car never felt consistent until air pressure was resolved. Perhaps traction was one of the issues on your test run?

That said, the AMG 63s does feel like it shoves you in the seat harder. I personally love the GLC63 you got there! Almost got that before I went the M5 route. Never drove the E63, but they are horrible on leases so it was M5 all the way compared to anything else.
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